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New computer, new version
« on: November 30, 2016, 06:04:25 PM »
Hi everyone,
I've been missing from this forum for quite some time, but WC has been working reliably.

However, my dedicated weather MacMini needs replacing, and I want to do this the least disruptive way.

I have the new computer running Sierra. My old computer is still on 10.6.8 and I'm still on WC 1.15.
I have about 11 years of WeatherCat data.

1. If I do a simple Migration Assistant transfer, will WC1.15 run on Sierra? Then I can upgrade to WC2 at my leisure.
2. Will WC2 run on the old 10.6.8? Then I can transfer to the new computer at my leisure.
And, in case neither 1 nor 2 work:
3. What is the most logical sequence of steps to upgrade to WC2 for the new computer?

Thanks for any advance insight.
Michael

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Re: New computer, new version
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2016, 07:08:01 PM »
Michael:

I have half an answer for you. You will need to wait until someone smarter than me chimes in with the other half.

WeatherCat version 2.0.0 and later will run on computers running Mac OS X version 10.7.5 or later (Intel only) so you cannot run it on your old computer. I think your best bet may be to update WC to 1.2.4 on your old machine, migrate to your new machine and then purchase WC 2.4.

I have migrated WeatherCat twice to new hardware and done it manually both times. I have never had a totally happy experience with Migration Assistant but it is theoretically supposed to work. Here are the instructions I followed for moving a WC installation from one computer to another, They come from a wiki article, but the link to that article appears to me to be broken. You can scroll through the instructions (up and down as well as left and right so you can see everything):

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There are times when it is necessary to relocate your WeatherCat installation from one computer to another.  If you are upgrading your Macinitosh the OS-X you can use the migration assistant that comes with OS-X to do this for you automatically.  Otherwise you can follow this procedure.

# Place a copy of the ''WeatherCat'' application folder in the target computer's ''Application'' folder.
# Also be sure to install the correct drivers for your station or USB to serial converter* on the new machine before running WeatherCat.
#*Note: WMR200, WH1080/2080/3080 stations do not need drivers to work with WeatherCat.
# If you are running OS X 10.7 or later, the Library folder is hidden. You can make it visible again via the following terminal command:''chflags nohidden ~/Library/''.  Another way to make this folder visible is to hold down the Option key while clicking on the Go menu in the Finder.
# Copy the following folders from the source computer to the target computer, placing them in exactly the same file location as on your source computer:
#*''~/Library/WeatherCatData''
#*''~/Library/WeatherCatBackups''
#*''~/Library/Application Support/WeatherCatCustomWeb''
#*''~/Library/Application Support/WeatherCatMedia''
#*''~/Library/Application Support/WeatherCatTemp''
#*''~/Library/Application Support/WCWeb''
#*''~/Library/Preferences/com.trixology.weathercat.plist''
#*''~/Documents/WeatherCatExports''
#*''~/Documents/WeatherCatReports'' <br /> (where ~ is your home directory).  Not all of these folders may be present depending on your WeatherCat configuration.
# If you are using any integration software (for example WeatherCat AppleScripts) you must copy them from your source to target computer and place them in the same directory structure as you have on your source computer.
# If you are a Davis weather station user and have needed to use Davis's own WeatherLink software to make adjustments to your console or Weather Envoy, then you should copy the WeatherLink software also to your target computer.
# Move the files associated with your custom website if you have one running.  Usually this means moving a folder with a name like: ''WC Custom Web Templates'' and a corresponding folder that by default is called: ''WeatherCatCustomWeb''  The default location for ''WeatherCatCustomWeb'' is ''~/Library/Application Support'', but since you can set these locations for your computer, you must move these folder to the same location as where you had decided to place them on the source computer for the target computer's installation to work properly.
# If you have been using the iOS WeatherCat app, remember to assign an internal static IP address (DHCP Reservation) to your new computer and forward the WeatherCat ports to the new IP address. Otherwise, the Network settings on the iOS app will not be able to find your new computer.
# Keep in mind this process cannot transfer either your registration key for your copy of WeatherCat or anything stored on your OS X keychain like passwords for FTP and electronic mail servers.  Be prepared to enter this information again on the new computer.

This should be sufficient to allow you to move your WeatherCat installation from one computer to another.  However, most WeatherCat users customize their setups so that additional files may be necessary on the target computer than what has been listed here.  Use common sense and your past experience when migrating WeatherCat.

What I am not sure about is whether or not you need to upgrade to the latest update of WC1 before migrating. It may be that you can migrate your version to Sierra and then upgrade to WC2. Someone else will check in later today and straighten me out.

Note to Edouard: The link to Moving WeatherCat from one machine to another in the Wiki appears to be broken. It may be just me being dumb, but can you take a look?
Blick


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Re: New computer, new version
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2016, 07:25:45 PM »
Thanks, Blicj11, I also cannot get that link to work, so it's not just you.


I like your suggestion. I'll try doing the 1.2.4 upgrade, then go from there.


Thanks again,
Michael

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Re: New computer, new version
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2016, 08:17:18 PM »
Anyone have any info on whether my OSX and WC combinations (items 1 and 2 above) will work together?

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Re: New computer, new version
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2016, 08:32:06 PM »
2. Will definitely not work. WC2 requires OS X 10.7.5 or later so you cannot run it on your old computer.
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Re: New computer, new version
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2016, 10:15:18 PM »
Thanks.
No idea if WC1.x will run on Sierra?


Anyone?
Anyone?
Bueller?


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Wiki fixed, need up upgrade on new (Re: New computer, new version)
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2016, 11:32:08 PM »
Dear Michael, Blick, and WeatherCat system migrators, . . .

Note to Edouard: The link to Moving WeatherCat from one machine to another in the Wiki appears to be broken. It may be just me being dumb, but can you take a look?

Yes, the link was broken.  The convention for linking from one page to another had changed.  It's fixed now, but we might have other broken links resulting from the same cause.

No idea if WC1.x will run on Sierra?

I don't think there is a chance of running WeatherCat 1.x on Sierra.  Even WeatherCat 2.x has some issues.  I think you'll need migrate over, purchase your upgrade, and launch WeatherCat 2 on the new machine.  It should work fine, but . . . of course have everything backed up!

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Re: New computer, new version
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2016, 06:17:28 AM »
Thanks, Edouard. If I go to the new computer, fresh install WC2 on it, can I just transfer my WC1 data over and the WC2 will recognize it? (assuming in the proper folders, of course)

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Re: New computer, new version
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2016, 08:03:23 PM »
Hi Michael,
You can follow the 'moving to a new computer' page on the wiki at http://wiki.trixology.com/index.php?title=Moving_a_WeatherCat_installation_from_one_computer_to_another to move everything across and then run WeatherCat (not the other way round otherwise it'll create a new data set for you assuming it's a new install). I have no idea why the link would be broken btw, nothing has changed as far as I know and an upgrade that breaks links would be a pretty bad upgrade :)

For known issue on Sierra, please see http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=2295.0 - the most important is to check sleep hasn't been enabled on your computer during the upgrade. Some people are seeing this.

Also make sure you have the latest drivers installed (if you need any).

 

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Re: New computer, new version
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2016, 01:12:08 AM »
Update:
I backtracked to El Capitan (just to be safe), loaded the newest WC version, copied my existing files over and everything is going great! [tup]

However, I do have one followup question. I decided to discontinue my custom web page and instead, just forward my web site to my WU page. In preferences, I unchecked "Enable Custom Web Pages" and "Enable FTP Upload." Under Misc2, I unchecked "Log FTP Operations." But in my WeatherCat Log window, I still get errors saying it can't make a path to custom pages directory. What do I need to do to avoid those errors in the log?

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Re: New computer, new version
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2016, 06:14:54 PM »
What settings do you have in WC Prefs->Simple Web->Enable FTP Upload->Edit FTP Details?

What results do you get when using the "Test" button?
THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF COUNTRIES
Those that use metric = #1 Measurement system
And the United States = The Banana system

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Any other custom stuff? (Re: New computer, new version)
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2016, 10:26:31 PM »
Dear Michael, X-Air and WeatherCat troubleshooters,

Congratulations on upgrading to WeatherCat 2.x!  ThU32:-)

]However, I do have one followup question. I decided to discontinue my custom web page and instead, just forward my web site to my WU page. In preferences, I unchecked "Enable Custom Web Pages" and "Enable FTP Upload." Under Misc2, I unchecked "Log FTP Operations." But in my WeatherCat Log window, I still get errors saying it can't make a path to custom pages directory. What do I need to do to avoid those errors in the log?[/size]

You don't need to uncheck Log FTP operations.  If there aren't any, nothing would sent to the log file.

Would you have any "Additional Files" being processed under custom web by chance?  For example AWEKAS uploads are done via a small web template.  If there were any additional files that could be generating the errors you are seeing.

Let us know what you uncover!

Cheers, Edouard  [cheers1]

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Re: New computer, new version
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2016, 05:28:48 PM »
I got the error message off of the log. Apparently, when I moved the files to the new machine, there must have been a preference or something that remembered the old path to my site folder. I made a fake site location on the new computer and the error went away. I thought if I turned off web pages, it wouldn?t need to look for a web site folder, but apparently it wants a folder anyway.

Thanks to everyone who helped!

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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2016, 11:54:31 PM »
Dear Michael and WeatherCat troubleshooters,

I got the error message off of the log. Apparently, when I moved the files to the new machine, there must have been a preference or something that remembered the old path to my site folder. I made a fake site location on the new computer and the error went away. I thought if I turned off web pages, it wouldn?t need to look for a web site folder, but apparently it wants a folder anyway.

Hmm, I definitely didn't know that.  Thanks for taking the time to tell us how you solved the problem.  Should it happen again, at least we have a work-around.

Cheers, Edouard  [cheers1]