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Davis Vantage Pro2 upgrade
« on: September 05, 2014, 01:40:59 PM »
Hi everyone,

I am very new to this forum and enjoy reading how each problem is well supported by great advice.

I am looking to upgrade my WH1801 weather station to a more accurate Wireless Davis VP2.
Question: Do I need the weather link data logging software and logger? I currently send my data through my Weathercat software to the METOfficeWOW site.

Some guidance would be really helpful as I am a real novice!

I run an iMAC i7 27" machine.

Thank you for taking time to read this!

JT

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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2014, 10:06:00 PM »
Dear JT and WeatherCat welcoming committee,

First things first, Welcome to the WeatherCat forum!!

I am looking to upgrade my WH1801 weather station to a more accurate Wireless Davis VP2.
Question: Do I need the weather link data logging software and logger? I currently send my data through my Weathercat software to the METOfficeWOW site.

Hmm, I thought we had this question answered on the WeatherCat Wiki, but we didn't, so I just added it:

http://wiki.trixology.com/index.php/Davis

In a nutshell, yes indeed you need to purchase one of the two types of data loggers.  Your choices are:


This provides the physical hardware connection between the weather station and your Mac.  Without it there is no way to access the weather data.  Davis does not provide a way to buy the USB data logger without the Davis WeatherLink software.  We recommend that you purchase the Mac version of the USB data logger because there are a few adjustments that can only be done with the WeatherLink software at the moment.  That problem does not exist with the IP logger.

You'll need to decide which sort of data logger to buy.  The IP based data logger is more expensive, but provides some additional flexibility.  The data logger is installed into the weather station console.  So if you use the USB logger you need to put your console next to your computer.  With the IP logger, you can put your console anywhere you have an Ethernet connection.  The disadvantage of the IP logger is that it is considerably more expensive.

Speaking of cost, there are many discount retailers of Davis weather stations.  One that is frequently used by WeatherCat forum members is Scaled Instruments:

http://www.scaledinstruments.com/

They have been known to be extremely competitive.  There are a number of other retailers with similar discounts.  Hopefully some of the other forum members will chime in with their personal favorites.

Again welcome to the WeatherCat forum and don't hesitate to ask any additional question as we will be happy to share our own experiences.

Cheers, Edouard  [cheers1]


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Re: Davis Vantage Pro2 upgrade
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2014, 06:14:13 AM »
JT:

Welcome the the WeatherCat forum!

I'll just add a few opinions to Edouard's excellent response to your question.

I purchased the IP data logger and have been very happy with it. I chose it because there are no drivers and once you set it up the first time, you never have to go back to mess with it again. The IP data logger uses an ethernet cable to plug into your router or, in my case, into a wired ethernet port on my home network.

In addition to checking out Scaled Instruments, I suggest you price Davis hardware at RainmanWeather:

http://www.rainmanweather.com/site/Davis-Best-Price-Quote
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Re: Davis Vantage Pro2 upgrade
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2014, 07:49:54 PM »
Welcome JT!

Here's a link to the Scaled Instruments' discount page.

For comparison, here's a link to the discount page of Ambient Weather.

EDIT: Blick, I wonder if you can use WeatherLinkIP? with Apple's Airport Express, which would supply the required Ethernet port at a location remote from the computer set up. Have you thought about that any? When I initially purchased, I rejected the WeatherLinkIP due to the requirement of being cabled to Ethernet, as I was looking for a way to locate the console near the central heating and cooling thermostat for comparable inside temperature data collection. I've already got an Airport Express of the type that plugs directly into the wall. All I need is the WeatherLinkIP, $215 at Scaled Inst.
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Re: Davis Vantage Pro2 upgrade
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2014, 12:08:00 PM »
 Hi Edouard,Blick and Herb,

Much appreciate the steer to purchase options but more importantly the software I need to keep the system working efficiently. I can now see a way forward without making costly mistakes!
My router is next to the Mac so connection couldn't be simpler!
Again gentlemen many thanks for valuable help on this subject, now to purchase!!

Cheers!

JT

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Re: Davis Vantage Pro2 upgrade
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2014, 12:21:26 PM »
Hi Blick,

Interesting to note the advantage of installing the IP version, again apart from the cost difference it does give options as you say. I am currently re-reading all the specs of both options which Edouard outlined so well in his reply on this subject.

Cheers,

JT

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Re: Davis Vantage Pro2 upgrade
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2014, 03:27:13 PM »
JT:

All of the data loggers come with the Davis software, WeatherLink, which you will never use if you purchase any model of the the VP2 Pro. Unfortunately, they don't sell the logger without the software.

If your router is next to your iMac, then you may want to consider the USB data logger because it is less expensive. The IP logger allows you to put your console anywhere in the house you can plug in via cable to your network, which you may not care about.

In my case, I am already using a USB hub and I didn't want to take up one more USB port and I wanted my VP2 console in a central location in my house, rather than right next to my iMac.

Either choice will work fine.
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Re: Davis Vantage Pro2 upgrade
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2014, 06:17:46 PM »
Blik,

Thanks for defining the practical side of which one is best to go for. I switch my computer off over night so although the data is stored and can be uploaded the next day the IP version will be a continuous stream of 'live' data via the router. Is there any virtue in this other than access at anytime over the net with real time data?
Like you I have a USB hub and just trying to avoid extra plugs!  :)  As you state the IP version is really expensive!! I think I am being drawn to the cheaper solution - thanks again for the feedback!

Cheers,
JT

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Where would you put your station console? (Re: Davis Vantage Pro2 upgrade)
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2014, 10:18:22 PM »
Dear JT and WeatherCat Davis owners,

My router is next to the Mac so connection couldn't be simpler!

Actually that isn't the right way to think about the situation.  Whatever data logger you buy, it has to be physically inserted into the console which provides you with all the data on an LCD display.  If you choose the USB data logger, then you have locate that console next to your computer.  The USB cable isn't very long and you cannot extend that cable reliably, the Davis signal is a bit fussy.

So the question is whether or not you want your station console next to your computer.  This is a bit redundant because WeatherCat provides effectively the same information as the console.  Of course if you have a spot for the console, that's fine.  However, you will get more "bang for your buck" if you can locate the console somewhere else so that another part of the house also has access to current conditions.  If there was such a spot in the house that also had access to Ethernet (or you could run a Ethernet cable to that spot,) that would be a reason to with the WeatherLinkIP logger.

Sorry if this adds to the confusion, but there yet another potential "mousetrap."   Davis sells a device that acts only a receiver for station data, the Weather Envoy (Part #: 06316):

http://www.davisnet.com/weather/products/weather_product.asp?pnum=06316

That would allow you to put the USB data logger into the Weather Envoy and then locate the console anywhere else in the house that is practical.  It is a bit more expensive, but I ended up going that route after I tried running a very long USB cable that just never worked well.

Odds are that isn't what you had in mind, but just in case that would also help you out somehow.

Thanks for defining the practical side of which one is best to go for. I switch my computer off over night so although the data is stored and can be uploaded the next day the IP version will be a continuous stream of 'live' data via the router. Is there any virtue in this other than access at anytime over the net with real time data?

There is two reasons to keep your computer running 24/7 when running WeatherCat.  There are a number of data submission services that require a live data feed all the time.  One is CWOP from the US National Weather Service.  I also believe that AWEKAS wants a continuous feed.  The other reason is that there is some software add-ons that require continuous data.  I have an AppleScript that computes evapotranspiration (water loss by plants) but it must run all the time to compute the values correctly.

The WeatherCat "power" users tend to leave the computers running 24/7, but there is a strong contingent that prefer to turn their computers off (for example to save on electricity.)

So something else for you to think about!

Cheers, Edouard  [cheers1]

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Re: Davis Vantage Pro2 upgrade
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2014, 01:05:14 AM »
Hi Edouard,

I think I have set the 'cat amongst the birds'. I am concerned that my lonely station is useful here in the UK supplying data regularly and hopefully accurately. There is a case for all of us who have a passion for weather observation to be consistent. As here in the UK I am aware all to well of our tradition for talking about the weather. I am just north of London. My initial concern was for technical transfer of data from a new installation (Davis VP2) uploaded to the Met Office WOW website. It is interesting to here everyones view on what is both practical and more importantly accurate for weather observations.
A most useful and thought provoking discussion from everyone! Thank you for your valuable feedback.

Best regards,

JT

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Re: Davis Vantage Pro2 upgrade
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2014, 05:12:27 PM »
Welcome, JT!

As Edoaurd has noted, there are options to your options. :) The WL-IP sends data 24/7, as previously noted, whether you Mac is running or not.

Like Edouard, I have my console elsewhere in my house, and used an Envoy as my connection between my Mac and the WeatherLink data logger. Using an Envoy is the only time that launching Davis' WeatherLink software would be required. As there is no screen on the Envoy, you need the software to set location, elevation, adjust barometric pressure, etc. (If you go this route, there is a trick to launching WeatherLink on newer Mac OS versions, so be sure to ask when the time comes.)

I went one more step, replacing my Envoy with a second VP2 Console. This is a more expensive route, but there is another option. The cost for a Vue Console is similar to the cost of a Weather Envoy. This gives a second display (if you want your VP2 Console in another location), and eliminates ever using the WeatherLink software. The trade-off is that the Vue Console is not as flexible as the VP2 Console or Envoy. It can't add as many auxiliary channels. You'd have to double check, but I don't think you can use solar, UV, soil station, secondary temp stations, etc with the Vue Console.

One thing we're great at doing here is spending other people's money. :D If you think that somewhere down the road you might add Solar and UV sensors to your VP2, go ahead and get the VP2 Plus, as it is less expensive as a package than adding the sensors later. If only interested in solar, then adding that to a VP2 is cheaper than a VP2 Plus. Your location doesn't sound like it would be needed, but if you have periods of hot, sticky, humid air with little or no circulation, a 24-hour FARS (Fan Aspirated Radiation Shield) unit will give you more accurate temp/humidity readings. This is an option that can't readily be added after the fact. Most folks do not go this route, but I wanted you to know ahead of time.

Note also that locating your weather station properly is as (or more) important than the equipment you purchase. A $5000 professional system on an asphalt roof or under trees will be worthless compared to a $50 unit located properly.

Have fun figuring out what you need/want! That's half the fun.
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Re: Davis Vantage Pro2 upgrade
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2014, 11:03:44 PM »
Hey JT! Just wanted to make sure you were aware of the great thread Edouard started to gather information on this very important topic.
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Re: Davis Vantage Pro2 upgrade
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2014, 11:34:46 AM »
Hi Steve,

Thank you for taking time to respond to this thread I began. You make good points on what configuration is best buy for setting up for my location in the UK. I know it is easy to suggest the best solution for someone else; however it is a big investment and I always believe you get what you pay for. I note your comment of placement of the station - sound advice!!!
I am looking to go for the Pro2 and the decision now is whether to go usb or IP. As Blick commented earlier it is dependant on where I am locating the unit and how I want to log the data. Thanks again for a great reply!

Cheers,

JT

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Re: Davis Vantage Pro2 upgrade
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2014, 11:37:08 AM »
Hi Herb,

Yes, I have been following the responses to Edouard's latest thread, most interesting responses. Thanks for alerting me to this one Herb!

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Two more useful references . . (Re: Davis Vantage Pro2 upgrade)
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2014, 10:35:19 PM »
Hi JT and WeatherCat weather station design daydreamers,

There are a few more references that you might find handy now that you are contemplating a more ambitious weather station installation.  We have some links to guides for setting up your weather station on the Wiki:

http://wiki.trixology.com/index.php/Station_Setup

They cover some of the issues associated with making sure your instruments are getting good data.

Another resource that you might find handy (especially for daydreaming) is the thread on what other WeatherCat users have done with their weather stations:

http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=969.0

It is always interesting to see how other people have set up their station instruments and why they made the compromises that they made.

Hope that's more food for thought!

Cheers, Edouard  [cheers1]