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WeatherCat => WeatherCat General Discussion => Topic started by: scphillipp1 on July 09, 2016, 01:09:46 AM
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I just upgraded to beta of Sierra for Mac, but looks like I gotta uninstall it as weather cat keeps loading and crashing, loading and crashing.
I tried reinstalling the usb drivers, but beyond that I don?t know what to do. I wanted to send you crash reports but the forum page
That tells how to do it is a broken link.
Weather cat first says it can?t find the weather station, then the station communications window opens, the port doesn?t look right
/dev/cu.Bluetooth-Incoming-Port
But I can?t find instructions on how to change it, and rescanning ports doesn?t do anything, so I click done.
Then the testing starts, after about a minute weather cat seems to open normally with all my gauges and windows, then about a minute
Later it crashes and all starts over.
Please advise - I?ve already spent about 2 hours on this - I?ve given up on Sierra for now, as my online weather underground station is gonna be emailing me soon.
Thanks for any info you can give.
Steve Phillippy
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Steve:
Just upload the crash log as an attachment to your reply to this post. Also, can you tell us where the broken link is referenced from so one of the mods can fix it?
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I'm hoping that's a localized problem since Stu hasn't mentioned running into any issues in the development sections of the forum. I presume he's been testing the releases provided through the Apple Developer Program.
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Looks like I can join the club. The Sierra beta doesn't seem to recognize the USB to UART bridge to allow my Vantage Vue console to talk to my iMac. I can't see it in my Network system preferences anymore, so it doesn't come up in my Comms port in WeatherCat as an option. The only option is /dev/cu.Bluetooth-Incoming-Port. Rescan Ports doesn't find it. :-\
Might have to go back to the old system software (if I can...)
Steve Konick
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Dear Steve, Blick, Felix, Steve, and WeatherCat troubleshooters,
Definitely not the best of circumstances, but welcome to the WeatherCat forum both Steves!
I just upgraded to beta of Sierra for Mac, but looks like I gotta uninstall it as weather cat keeps loading and crashing, loading and crashing.
I tried reinstalling the usb drivers, but beyond that I don?t know what to do.
Sorry but I'm a bit confused. What weather station are using with WeatherCat? You list WS-2813, is it this station?
https://www.lacrossetechnology.com/2813/ (https://www.lacrossetechnology.com/2813/)
I didn't know that WeatherCat supported this station.
Where did you get these USB drivers? Perhaps they haven't been updated for Sierra yet. There appears to be a problem with hardware manufacturers keeping up with Apple OS updates.
I wanted to send you crash reports but the forum page That tells how to do it is a broken link.
Sorry about that. I found another page:
http://www.qsatoolworks.com/faqs/6/crashlog.html (http://www.qsatoolworks.com/faqs/6/crashlog.html)
I've updated the forum page to point to this page.
Looks like I can join the club. The Sierra beta doesn't seem to recognize the USB to UART bridge to allow my Vantage Vue console to talk to my iMac.
The Silicon Labs driver doesn't even officially support El Capitan, so I can't say I'm surprised Davis stations won't run under Sierra.
Unfortunately, it is usually a mistake to try to run WeatherCat on a new version of macOS until Stu gives the "all clear." If you want to participate in the beta program is probably not wise to use your Mac that connects to your station because OS bugs are likely to reduce system stability which could lead to data outages.
If possible by all means revert back to an older version of OS X.
Cheers, Edouard
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Hi Edouard,
Oh well, too late for me. I saw the monstrously involved process to drop down to El Capitan and it was fraught with issues, so I'm sticking with the Sierra beta. I think there's no question that the problem is in the driver as it doesn't appear to show in my Mac's Network Preferences anymore. Sigh. Fortunately, my daughter's computer is still on El Capitan, so I just moved the weather station over to her computer. It's not optimal, but the site is back up and running again.
I wonder how one can get in touch with SiLabs about updating their driver to work with Sierra, or are there other drivers that are out there that do the same thing?
Thanks for your input, though!
Steve
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This may or may not work in the case of upgrading to Sierra, but with El Capitan, there were at least two of us, myself included, that were able to get the driver to work by connecting it to a USB hub rather than the computer's USB connection. Of course, the USB hub would have to be connected to the computer, but it somehow managed to translate the signals to something El Capitan could use. In my case, it was USB 2.0 and a cheap powered small hub from General Electric.
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I was a beta user of Sierra. As a beta user you receive the GrandMaster of Sierra in advance of its release date - I received it last night. I just installed it (took almost 2 hrs) and my Vantage Pro Weather Station is now uploading to my web page through the USB port with no issues. [cheer] [snow]
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Good news. Thanks for posting. In my opinion, Grand Master of Sierra is better than Goldstar rating at WeatherUnderground.
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I am hoping that the upgrade for me goes smoothly. I am interested in the revamped file system and I am more than sure there will be fixes and patches from the get go.
Perhaps the programmers can get ahead on it.
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Dear Bob, Blick, Weatheraardvark, and WeatherCat station caregivers,
I was a beta user of Sierra. As a beta user you receive the GrandMaster of Sierra in advance of its release date - I received it last night. I just installed it (took almost 2 hrs) and my Vantage Pro Weather Station is now uploading to my web page through the USB port with no issues. [cheer] [snow]
Might I inquire as to which driver you are using? the latest Silicon Labs driver? Perhaps the reason why Silicon Labs never certified their driver for El Capitan had something to do within OS 10.11 itself. It will be interesting to see what Silicon Labs does once Sierra "hits the streets."
Cheers, Edouard
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I am using version 4 of the Silicon Graphics driver. Since i have a pre-release Sierra GM I assume we won't see anything from them until after the official release date.
Regret to inform [rainyluck] yesterday Weathercat crashed (It has been rock solid since the last update) once, but restarted and this again AM I was alerted it crashed overnight but restarted and then crashed this afternoon and did not restart.
Bob
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Stu's been strangely silent concerning the latest WC release compatibility with the versions of macOS Sierra the developers have been running. Hopefully he's been beavering away and the transition will be smooth. We're what, eight days away from the macOS Sierra rollout?
OTOH, Edouard's advice (to wait for an official OK before upgrading the primary computer running WC) is sage.
Apple hardware compatibility:
http://www.apple.com/macos/how-to-upgrade/#hardware-requirements
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Dear Bob, Felix, and WeatherCat "bleeding edgers," . . . .
OTOH, Edouard's advice (to wait for an official OK before upgrading the primary computer running WC) is sage.
I'm afraid everyone should show more caution than we have had to in the past. Software engineers are under a lot of pressure to innovate and bugs are much more common even on application software. Even software which I used to upgrade as a matter of practice because it was a good outfit are now burning me.
The operating system is a much more radical upgrade than any program. If you break a problem, the rest of your computer still works. Upgrade your OS and your computer might ever be the same. Even if Sierra works perfectly well on Apple's own development computers, the problem is all that legacy software that is dragging around on your hard drive. Apple hasn't tested Sierra with all of that.
I suppose we all should blast our hard drives clean and install only the software we really use from time to time. However, if you are like me you use a lot of software. It would take me months to get my computer running as I like if I had to start from scratch. If you have to brave a incremental upgrade, the best policy is to let somebody else be the first victims.
Remember the old saying: "Learn from other people's mistakes, because you can't possibly make all those mistakes by yourself!"
Cheers, Edouard [cheers1]
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As always, I'd recommend waiting for at least the .1 update.
There will be bugs in the OS that may affect you. Last year it was 10.11.2 before things settled down - specifically there was a font bug which meant a crash on start-up (only for some people) and a file system bug which meant the OS was not closing files when it was told to, leading to WeatherCat shutting itself down when it could no longer open files.
These bugs won't affect everyone, but they will affect some people and sometimes a work around can be found and sometimes it's just a case of waiting for Apple to fix it. Either way, my advice would be to wait.
If you do have a problem with the released OS and WeatherCat, please log a bug in the bugs forum so we can look at it. Crash and/or hang reports and as much detail as possible are appreciated.
Finally, check any USB to serial drivers you need are compatible before upgrading - last year was a bit of a disaster as far as Silicon Labs is concerned :)
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I have had the best luck with FTDI chips in my USB to Serial cables. Dealing with a lot of legacy hardware through my customer base has taught me that it is the best way to go.
Prolific chips suck. Sometimes you need an older driver, sometimes a newer one. It is always a hit or miss. And if you got a "made in China" wannabe, good luck.
I have not tried anything else as the FTDI based adapters have worked so well on Windoze, Mac and Linux, I saw no reason to search any further.
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Sound advice, as digression is the better part of valor.....if I were a physicist or mathematician I would have heeded this, but as an engineer we tend to throw caution to the wind.....someone has to be 1st for someone else can fix it [cheers1]. Surprisingly aside from Waze on my iPhone this is the only program I have noticed on my iMac that does not play nice with Sierra ......... so far at least.
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Without thinking much about the implications, I updated to the Sierra GM the other day. I had a rough first hour with it, a bit of cleaning up and updating calmed things down. But WeatherCat was not happily talking to my weather station, WC actually quit a couple of times saying that it could not talk to the weather station. My graphs were showing about 20% dropouts. No update to my driver. Hmmm....
Decided to unplug the USB and let things settle down for a day, then plugged the USB back in, re-selected the device path within WC, and it has been happy ever since. I can't really account for why this would be so, but I'm happy with the result.
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[interesting] Rechecked computer settings since installing the Sierra GM and noticed the update had reset my energy saving settings on my computer connected to my Davis Wx station.
I unchecked both "Put Hard Disks To Sleep When Possible" And "Prevent Computer From Sleeping...." and the crashes seem to have gone away. [snow]
Just checked and there have been no updates to the Silicon Lab USB driver for Sierra.
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Dear Bob and WeatherCat early adopters,
[interesting] Rechecked computer settings since installing the Sierra GM and noticed the update had reset my energy saving settings on my computer connected to my Davis Wx station.
I unchecked both "Put Hard Disks To Sleep When Possible" And "Prevent Computer From Sleeping...." and the crashes seem to have gone away. [snow]
Just checked and there have been no updates to the Silicon Lab USB driver for Sierra.
Interesting! Those settings are known to trip up WeatherCat if set incorrectly. The symptoms you describe are consistent with your computer going to sleep and up-ending WeatherCat in the process. So perhaps WeatherCat does run okay on Sierra.
Still, I'll take your word for it and stick to Yosemite . . . . . for a while! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/hiding.gif)
Cheers, Edouard
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It is interesting - in 2.3.0 (ish) we did some work with sleep to ensure everything was actually stopped before allowing the machine to sleep (this can take some time if for instance custom web is processing at the time) and since then it'll usually work fine as long as the driver, OS and station plays nice (generally they don't).
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Keeping Stu's admonishment in mind, any brave soul take the plunge yet with the "shipping" version released today?
I'm all backed up now and am going to head over to the (much larger) weather forum to see if anyone has taken a chance.
Actually, my plan is to start with a second computer which has WC loaded but isn't my primary weather, webpage and webcam uploading platform.
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Dear Felix and WeatherCat users willing to make the mistakes for me . . . . ;D
Keeping Stu's admonishment in mind, any brave sole take the plunge yet with the "shipping" version released today?
Who me? . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/hiding.gif)
I'll nonetheless also be most interested in the experiences of others who . . . . tempt the nasty character with the tail and pointy ears .. . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/evilsmile.gif)
Cheers, Edouard
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Not me. I'm waiting to hear from Steve first. He is our resident First To Adopt expert.
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Not me. I'm waiting to hear from Steve first. He is our resident First To Adopt expert.
Sounds reasonable. OK, I'll wait on Steve as well.
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I've been running the shipping version of WeatherCat with macOS Sierra (10.12) all day and haven't noted any problems yet. Just testing with the equipment noted in my profile but not yet broadcasting. I'll give it to the weekend to see if anything breaks before converting my "weather" computer to Sierra.
I'm curious to know what Stu has found since he's had access through the developer program for much longer. Even if he's taking the conservative 'wait for a point update or two,' I'd still like to know what's been found, if anything, by the developer staff.
At this point, folks with WeatherLink IP, Sharx cams and EvoCam controlling software appear to be in good shape with nothing other than the pre-Sierra WC bugs. 100% station comms and no sensor errors.
BTW X-Air, I'm not seeing any Safari browser problems like you described in another thread.
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Thanks for the report Felix. I'm using WeatherLinkIP? and a Sharx camera so this is good news.
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Not me. I'm waiting to hear from Steve first. He is our resident First To Adopt expert.
Sounds reasonable. OK, I'll wait on Steve as well.
Don't wait for me! I'm not home. We left Ohio for Washington on September 11, and we don't know when we'll head home. Last time we were out this way, it was for 42 days.
For a change, I'll be one of the later people to update to the newest version.
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Fortunately, I haven't been experiencing any unsolvable macOS Sierra problems but most every Apple-centric website is listing the following issues (or a version thereof):
http://www.macxdvd.com/mac-dvd-video-converter-how-to/mac-osx-10-12-problems-solutions.htm (http://www.macxdvd.com/mac-dvd-video-converter-how-to/mac-osx-10-12-problems-solutions.htm)
Unless there are some features in there you must have (Siri on the desktop is really cool), it's probably worth waiting for that first update given the number of problem areas a widespread slice of users are experiencing. For sure don't install on your primary computer yet and have a fully current TimeMachine backup and preferably a bootable backup as well.
Some people aren't able to even get through the install process.
And if you're a DropBox user, be aware you'll have some problems:
http://lifehacker.com/dropbox-isnt-playing-nice-with-macos-sierra-heres-how-1786869080 (http://lifehacker.com/dropbox-isnt-playing-nice-with-macos-sierra-heres-how-1786869080)
And the USB to serial driver problem for those who don't use WeatherLink IP is always an issue since Silicon Labs doesn't seem to even bother looking a compatibility until after the final release. Great customer support. NOT! [banghead]
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And the USB to serial driver problem for those who don't use WeatherLink IP is always an issue since Silicon Labs doesn't seem to even bother looking a compatibility until after the final release. Great customer support. NOT! [banghead]
Their forum is broken as well. I have an account there and it is impossible to post a question or reply. Not only that, there is no way to contact anyone there (that I have found) to let them know there is a problem. Grrrrr.
Alan
Update: The SILabs forum seems to be working now. I posted a question about the driver to see if anyone is having issues. We will see...
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Weathercat works fine for me.
But WeatherLink for Mac would crash. I did some digging and found that I needed to do the below . Now it works fine. I don't know if this will help anyone with Weathercat or not.
Finder
Open your HD and go to applications and scroll down to MACOS x Weatherlink folder
Open that and right click on WeatherLink.app and select info.
On the info make sure that the Open in 32bit mode is selected
I would guess that one would use the Weathercat instead of WeatherLink.app.
Two other things I have noticed. Sierra during its install removes the registration code from Weatherdisplay. Brian will issue a new one .
The other is Bitdefender kept popping up on the desktop. I finally decided to remove it and re install it and we are good.
I am still trying to find out what works and doesn't, but I am thinking that there will be updates to this OS as we lump along for a while.
Just my 2 cents.
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BTW X-Air, I'm not seeing any Safari browser problems like you described in another thread.
Perhaps they fixed it in Sierra. While "Zooming" makes the text larger, it also makes everything on the page larger! Text and images are two different objects, they should have different size controls, as the were in the previous version. I'm certainly not the only one complaining about this "improvement".
<rant>Many (apparently the majority!) people use apps in 'full-screen' mode (I think that was some kind of default behavior in Windows. While I have a 27" monitor, I like to use that real estate to have numerous windows open and easily visible at the same time. I don't need no stinkin' images larger! All I ask is that the text be larger. Period. I'm trying other utilities like ******tail and TinkerTool System to see if they can still set the minimum size of web sites. Many 'designers' are of the 'under thirty' crowd and seem to think we all want tiny text. Could it be because they can't write anything worth reading? [rolleyes2] </rant>
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For anyone interested in reading about the new file structure which reportedly will make it into the 2017 OS, Ars Technica has a section discussing it in their macOS Sierra review.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/09/macos-10-12-sierra-the-ars-technica-review/7/
I have a feeling third-party developers who aren't already making plans for that transition will be in a world of hurt. Then again, I'm not a coder so maybe the heavy lifting is all on Apple's end.
Back to WC and macOS Sierra, my install has been rock solid after 24+ hours of run time. No unusual memory leaks observed either.
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Thanks for keeping us updated. I want to upgrade but am just holding out for while longer. Don't know why, but I'm being cautious this time around.
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<Warning, not thread related> Had my first macOS Sierra glitch this morning. Opened Notes and it promptly crashed:
Crashed Thread: 9 Dispatch queue: NSManagedObjectContext 0x6180001ca8c0
And did the same thing the second time, and the third after a restart.
Internet to the rescue, turn off iCloud sync for Notes, open Notes (didn't crash now), turn on iCloud sync again and everything seems to be functioning again.
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Dear Weatheraardvark, X-Air, Blick, Felix, and WeatherCat leading and not bleeding edgers, . . . .
Thanks for keeping us updated. I want to upgrade but am just holding out for while longer. Don't know why, but I'm being cautious this time around.
<Warning, not thread related> Had my first macOS Sierra glitch this morning. Opened Notes and it promptly crashed:
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Oh, I dunno' it seems to me that there are plenty of reasons to be cautious! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/groucho_naughty.gif)
But WeatherLink for Mac would crash. I did some digging and found that I needed to do the below . Now it works fine. I don't know if this will help anyone with Weathercat or not.
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On the info make sure that the Open in 32bit mode is selected
Yes, this has been necessary for several years. Were you able to run WeatherLink before? The info to switch WeatherLink to 32-bits is somewhere else on this forum, but it has been so long that it might be hard to locate.
Cheers, Edouard [cheers1]
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Dear Weatheraardvark, X-Air, Blick, Felix, and WeatherCat leading and not bleeding edgers, . . . .
Thanks for keeping us updated. I want to upgrade but am just holding out for while longer. Don't know why, but I'm being cautious this time around.
<Warning, not thread related> Had my first macOS Sierra glitch this morning. Opened Notes and it promptly crashed:
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Oh, I dunno' it seems to me that there are plenty of reasons to be cautious! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/groucho_naughty.gif)
But WeatherLink for Mac would crash. I did some digging and found that I needed to do the below . Now it works fine. I don't know if this will help anyone with Weathercat or not.
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On the info make sure that the Open in 32bit mode is selected
Yes, this has been necessary for several years. Were you able to run WeatherLink before? The info to switch WeatherLink to 32-bits is somewhere else on this forum, but it has been so long that it might be hard to locate.
Cheers, Edouard [cheers1]
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I could run weatherdisplay and weather link before, but after I tweaked WL, I could access it. Essentially it is still worthless. I ran WCat for about 4 hours today with no problems, Wdisplay crashed after 3 minutes, repeatedly and I tried all sorts, but no dice. So I copied everything to a CD and have that on the shelf incase things improve.
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The info to switch WeatherLink to 32-bits is somewhere else on this forum
The normal way to force the OS to run an app in 32 bit mode is to use the checkbox in the app's Get Info window. I don't think 64 bit apps even have that box, so just seeing it is a good clue it probably needs to be checked.
I've never even seen the apps mention by ardvark, except WC, of course. However, some of them may need this 'tweaking'. It may simply be that they are not as up-to-daye as WC! [tup]
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The info to switch WeatherLink to 32-bits is somewhere else on this forum
The normal way to force the OS to run an app in 32 bit mode is to use the checkbox in the app's Get Info window. I don't think 64 bit apps even have that box, so just seeing it is a good clue it probably needs to be checked.
I've never even seen the apps mention by ardvark, except WC, of course. However, some of them may need this 'tweaking'. It may simply be that they are not as up-to-daye as WC! [tup]
I wouldn't think you would see those apps. Weatherdisplay is a very sophisticated app or program for PC. Has a lot of things and a few more. WeatherCat is close to that, However, the PC aspect of Weather Display is there. Mac, mixed reactions.
WeatherLink, is better for the pC as many of us know. It just isn't for the Mac, Oh yes, it does somethings and you can get basic information from either a console or Envoy, but the Envoy 8x is out of the question, You just can't get the information you want from this app. I have asked them repeatedly about upgrading and of course they are referring it to their software dept.
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WeatherCat continues to run fine after upgrading to macOS 10.12.1 (Sierra) last night with the equipment listed in my profile.
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Upgraded to macOS Sierra 10.12.1 yesterday and everything is running smooth at 14+ hours.
Alan
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Thanks for the updates. I plan to upgrade from El Capitan soon.
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Thanks for the updates. I plan to upgrade from El Capitan soon.
Me, too. Just waitin on what the Developer of WCat advices. Go? NoGo?
:D
Cheers,
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I waited for 10.12.1 to be released but my computer had already downloaded 10.12 and was just waiting for me to install it and NO I don't have auto updates on????
Anyhoo I was forced into loading 10.12 up first as I couldn't get a direct 10.12.1 download from anywhere.
Much to my surprise WC loaded immediately as 10.12 launched and it's not on my start up list and has never done that before, then I opened the MAC APP STORE to get the 10.12.1 update and WC launched again at start up. I'm using SilLabs USB Driver Version:4.10.13 from El Capitan.
MBP MID 2012 no problems whatsoever. If I have any problems I'll let you know
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When you use the Shutdown menu, there is a checkbox specifying/enabling "Open (currently) running apps". I dint think the OS Update system gives you that dialog. OTOH, the System retains the setting of that checkbox until you change it. Perhaps you have that box checked?
That's good news but I don't plan on updating the mini that runs WC until at least 10.12.2, or until we get more reports of WC running with the USB connection to the Davis Console.
I may update my iMac in a couple of weeks assuming no new problems were created by the .1 update.
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Hey xairbusdriver, good point!
I always shutdown all software before an upgrade and I actually must admit I didn't see that box when going from 10.12 to 10.12.1
I do have a loose USB cable to my Davis Vantage Vue however and if bumped or jiggled to hard it will drop the connection, it's been doing that since El Capitan so I need a new USB lead. The SilLabs USB driver hasn't given me a single problem though.
I'm approaching the 20-24HR mark now and needed one restart due to kicking my USB cable free, LOL. It started back up immediately though once I shut WC down and re attached the USB cable and re launched WC. (EDIT) I just checked the World Clock and it's almost 24HRS, World time zone conversion is a pain but part of most Aussie's life online.
I'm still having the problem with the rainfall being regenerated and doubled every time I restart WC though. Is there a fix for this?
Kindest Paul
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Dear Paul and WeatherCat troubleshooters,
I'm still having the problem with the rainfall being regenerated and doubled every time I restart WC though. Is there a fix for this?
I'm not aware of any sort of problem like this. Could you please start a new thread on this topic?:
http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?board=13.0 (http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?board=13.0)
Lots of people scan through the subjects of posts and so your question will most likely be overlooked when tacked on to another topic.
Please tell us anything you know about the problem like when it started, more details about your Mac and station, and anything else that you can think of that might help us troubleshoot the problem.
Cheers, Edouard [cheers1]
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Update, I've switched my weather station from usb to the web version and as long as I don't have the video preview open on my desktop it doesn't ever crash. That was my fix. I never did get the other upload way to work. If I try and have the video preview open, it crashes about every 15 minutes.
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Interesting report. When the live video preview tool is open, it changes the video sampling rate from 5 minutes (or whatever you have it set for in webcam preferences to 2 seconds. For this reason, it usually not recommended to keep that window open constantly.
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So I've had macOS Sierra 10.12.1 running for 4 days now with little to no major problems. It's dropped the SilLabs driver a couple of times and the USB to UQAT vanishes but this has been happening every time I've upgraded since Mavericks. It usually goes away after a week or two, if this happens just run the .sh file thru terminal and reload it :)
Now take a REALLY GOOD LOOK AT THIS PHOTO!!! It appeared yesterday and will NOT QUIT!!
IDEAS lovely people
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Dear Paul and WeatherCat "now I've seen everything!!" types, . . . [rolleyes2]
Now take a REALLY GOOD LOOK AT THIS PHOTO!!! It appeared yesterday and will NOT QUIT!!
IDEAS lovely people
[wink] . . . . Look, . . . I was at Cal Berkeley from 1979 to 1995 to ultimately get a PhD. When you spend that much time around the city of Berkeley you get used to just about anything!! . . . . [goofy]
Uh seriously that is really, really wrong. (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/eek-sign.gif)
Could you open up the terminal and run this UNIX command:
ps ax | grep weathercat
When I run it I get this:
736 ?? S 0:04.03 python /Applications/WeatherCat/WeatherCat.app/Contents/Resources/Support_Applications/reboot_weathercat.py /Applications/WeatherCat/WeatherCat.app/Contents/MacOS/WeatherCat
97826 s000 S+ 0:00.00 grep weathercat
The number 736 corresponds to WeatherCat application process. The second line is the UNIX command that generated the data. If what you are seeing is real you should see 2 processes like the 736 process.
Also, which version of WeatherCat are you running? The WeatherCat icon looks a bit odd to me.
Let us know what you come up with . . . .
Edouard
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Dear Paul and WeatherCat "now I've seen everything!!" types, . . . [rolleyes2]
Now take a REALLY GOOD LOOK AT THIS PHOTO!!! It appeared yesterday and will NOT QUIT!!
IDEAS lovely people
[wink] . . . . Look, . . . I was at Cal Berkeley from 1979 to 1995 to ultimately get a PhD. When you spend that much time around the city of Berkeley you get used to just about anything!! . . . . [goofy]
Uh seriously that is really, really wrong. (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/eek-sign.gif)
HILARIUOS!
Could you open up the terminal and run this UNIX command:
ps ax | grep weathercat
When I run it I get this:
736 ?? S 0:04.03 python /Applications/WeatherCat/WeatherCat.app/Contents/Resources/Support_Applications/reboot_weathercat.py /Applications/WeatherCat/WeatherCat.app/Contents/MacOS/WeatherCat
97826 s000 S+ 0:00.00 grep weathercat
The number 736 corresponds to WeatherCat application process. The second line is the UNIX command that generated the data. If what you are seeing is real you should see 2 processes like the 736 process.
Also, which version of WeatherCat are you running? The WeatherCat icon looks a bit odd to me.
Let us know what you come up with . . . .
Edouard
Thank you kind sir, I'm running WC V.2.4
I got this from terminal: 47804 ?? S 0:00.13 python /Applications/WeatherCat 2.4/WeatherCat.app/Contents/Resources/Support_Applications/reboot_weathercat.py /Applications/WeatherCat 2.4/WeatherCat.app/Contents/MacOS/WeatherCat
AND
48053 s000 R+ 0:00.00 grep weathercat
Thanks Paul, and it's just a crappy photo Edouard. I couldn't get a screen shot and had to use my iPhone
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Thank you kind sir, I'm running WC V.2.4
I got this from terminal: 47804 ?? S 0:00.13 python /Applications/WeatherCat 2.4/WeatherCat.app/Contents/Resources/Support_Applications/reboot_weathercat.py /Applications/WeatherCat 2.4/WeatherCat.app/Contents/MacOS/WeatherCat
AND
48053 s000 R+ 0:00.00 grep weathercat
Thanks Paul, and it's just a crappy photo Edouard. I couldn't get a screen shot and had to use my iPhone
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Dear Paul and WeatherCat troubleshooters,
Thank you kind sir, I'm running WC V.2.4
I got this from terminal: 47804 ?? S 0:00.13 python /Applications/WeatherCat 2.4/WeatherCat.app/Contents/Resources/Support_Applications/reboot_weathercat.py /Applications/WeatherCat 2.4/WeatherCat.app/Contents/MacOS/WeatherCat
AND
48053 s000 R+ 0:00.00 grep weathercat
*Heavy sigh*, . . . . according to the UNIX, there is only one WeatherCat process actually running. So the reason that you can't quit the other process is because it doesn't really exist. Alas, this has to be another Sierra bug. Wow! That's not a minor bug either. (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/eek-sign.gif)
I suggest you try rebooting and see if that makes the phantom go away. However, if anybody else is thinking about upgrading to Sierra - uh, perhaps not. In addition to this bug, there is apparently a really crazy bug in AppleScript. On that evidence alone . . . I would take Stu's advice and wait for at least a major round of bug fixes.
Oh well, . . . . . Edouard (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/pout.gif)
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4606 ?? S 0:17.42 python /Applications/WeatherCat/WeatherCat.app/Contents/Resources/Support_Applications/reboot_weathercat.py /Applications/WeatherCat/WeatherCat.app/Contents/MacOS/WeatherCat
99073 s000 S+ 0:00.00 grep weathercat
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Dear Paul and WeatherCat troubleshooters,
Thank you kind sir, I'm running WC V.2.4
I got this from terminal: 47804 ?? S 0:00.13 python /Applications/WeatherCat 2.4/WeatherCat.app/Contents/Resources/Support_Applications/reboot_weathercat.py /Applications/WeatherCat 2.4/WeatherCat.app/Contents/MacOS/WeatherCat
AND
48053 s000 R+ 0:00.00 grep weathercat
*Heavy sigh*, . . . . according to the UNIX, there is only one WeatherCat process actually running. So the reason that you can't quit the other process is because it doesn't really exist. Alas, this has to be another Sierra bug. Wow! That's not a minor bug either. (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/eek-sign.gif)
I suggest you try rebooting and see if that makes the phantom go away. However, if anybody else is thinking about upgrading to Sierra - uh, perhaps not. In addition to this bug, there is apparently a really crazy bug in AppleScript. On that evidence alone . . . I would take Stu's advice and wait for at least a major round of bug fixes.
Oh well, . . . . . Edouard (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/pout.gif)
YEP, I forgot to mention that, it's not showing up in the Activity Monitor?
AND A SIMPLE RESTART SOLVED THE PROBLEM, I ran the SilLabs uninstaller first, then I restarted the puter re-installed the SilLabs driver and all is good in the world again. Oh and before I did that I checked the Systems Report and found that I had 2, yes 2 CP2102 USB to UART Bridge Controller running. The SilLabs uninstaller.sh would not remove them either UNTIL i rebooted the puter and then they were gone.
SO I'm putting a suggestion forward that's worked twice for me now on macOS Sierra, if your mac says it can't find your weather station, run the uninstaller.sh in terminal enter your password when prompted. Restart your computer reinstall your driver CP2102 USB to UART Bridge Controller and open weathercat again.
This is one fix for me that has worked twice now, good luck
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In case you've lost it, here's the link to the driver: Suitable for 10.5 through 10.11 (and apparently works in 10.12) (http://www.silabs.com/products/mcu/Pages/USBtoUARTBridgeVCPDrivers.aspx#mac) (and apparently works in 10.12)
Note to Admin(s) [hopefully there is more than one!]:
This thread continues to grow but the request to start a new one concerning the Silab driver has yet t be moved. As it is now over a page by itself, it's probably asking to much of the OP to start a new one and copy and paste all the others. I am assuming the forum software makes this a relatively easy job for the Admin(s). ;) I'd be glad to help but I don't have the secret incantations and handshakes required. cmu:-)
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Dear Paul and WeatherCat troubleshooters,
YEP, I forgot to mention that, it's not showing up in the Activity Monitor?
AND A SIMPLE RESTART SOLVED THE PROBLEM
Okay, it is always a good idea to make sure you don't have more than one driver, but having two drivers could not have caused the strange force-quit window you included in your earlier posting. I'm not surprised that restarting your computer got rid of the phantom WeatherCat "process," but that simply should never happen. I don't know what Apple is doing, but it is an extremely serious bug to have in a "stable" version of macOS.
So I again recommend that those who have upgraded to Sierra be extra careful and that anyone who hasn't upgraded hold off unless they desperately need a bit of Sierra functionality.
Edouard
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Dear Paul and WeatherCat troubleshooters,
author=tizza link=topic=2209.msg22401#msg22401 date=1477999474]
YEP, I forgot to mention that, it's not showing up in the Activity Monitor?
AND A SIMPLE RESTART SOLVED THE PROBLEM
Okay, it is always a good idea to make sure you don't have more than one driver, but having two drivers could not have caused the strange force-quit window you included in your earlier posting.
I didn't install 2 different drivers or install the same driver twice, it just appeared out of nowhere. I was listening to an audiobook, checked WC and it was fine then I checked the weather again about 40mins later and it had just appeared. That's why I took that photo and I hadn't touched my computer at all during that time. I didn't even check my mail
I'm not surprised that restarting your computer got rid of the phantom WeatherCat "process," but that simply should never happen. I don't know what Apple is doing, but it is an extremely serious bug to have in a "stable" version of macOS.
I couldn't agree more, it's by far the weirdest thing I've ever seen WC do in all the years I've owned it. It was just freaky. Oh and I had looked thru the system menu maybe 2HRS before that and the second SilLabs driver was not there
So I again recommend that those who have upgraded to Sierra be extra careful and that anyone who hasn't upgraded hold off unless they desperately need a bit of Sierra functionality.
Edouard
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Dear Paul and WeatherCat troubleshooters,
I didn't install 2 different drivers or install the same driver twice, it just appeared out of nowhere.
Sorry, you have to understand my jaded sense when it comes to Macs misbehaving. I didn't mean at all to suggest that you had anything to do with the two drivers. On the contrary, all I meant is that - *sigh* - I've seen the installer fail to remove a previous driver. However, I haven't see it do any harm on my computer. Nonetheless that might not be true for everybody Therefore, it is a good idea to look to see if there are multiple drivers and when troubleshooting connection problems, it is indeed prudent to remove all existing drivers and then try a fresh installation.
There is a procedure to manually delete drivers, but I've forgotten what it is and it never made it to the Wiki. Does anybody remember how to dig into the file system and manually delete all driver files?
Edouard
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Sorry Edouard,
I just re-read my reply to you and it sounded RUDE! I just want you to know it was not meant to be at all,
Cheers
Paul
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Dear Paul and WeatherCat victims of our excessively harried livestyles
I just re-read my reply to you and it sounded RUDE! I just want you to know it was not meant to be at all,
No worries, these days we are lucky to communicate anything clearly.
By the way, it appears that the Silicon lab drivers "live" in this folder on your Mac:
/Library/Extensions/
If you see more than one file that looks similar to this:
/Library/Extensions/SiLabsUSBDriver.kext
That might be good reason to be concerned. If one is a lot older than the other, . . . . it might be good idea to delete both of them and install a "fresh" copy of the driver from the installer.
Cheers, Edouard
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Well, I reinstalled a fresh copy of Sierra server. I had nothing but trouble with the server aspect of it and WC would occasionally take a dump. It took about two weeks of screwing with it, but I finally got all the bugs fixed. I went back to Snow Leopard server.
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Greetings all, I am new here, and have been seeing some odd behavior since I recently upgraded to Sierra. I am using a mid-2011 iMac, and recently leapt over El Capitain and upgraded the OS from Yosemite directly to Sierra. Now running Sierra 10.12.2, and Weathercat 2.1.0 Build 1306. Weax station is a Davis Vantage Pro 2, and it is connected via the Davis Weatherlink IP dongle to my local network. Everything worked without fail for at least two years prior to the OS upgrade.
The behavior I am seeing is that Weathercat quits. I often know this via an email notice from Weather Underground, which says my station has stopped reporting. 75% of the time, this seems to happen between 0300 and 0400 in the morning local; otherwise it seems to happen randomly, generally after greater than 24 hours of runtime. Weathercat starts back up fine, and displays no other issues. A reboot of the OS has had no effect. I recognize that the version of Weathercat I am running is out of date, but thought I'd post here first before updating that as a fix attempt. I did notice after reading this thread this morning that the energy portion of the OS preferences had "put hard drives to sleep") checked, I've just unchecked it now, so not aware yet if that will affect this problem.
Grateful for any insight any of you may be able to provide.
Cheers from Maryland!
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Greetings all, I am new here, and have been seeing some odd behavior since I recently upgraded to Sierra. I am using a mid-2011 iMac, and recently leapt over El Capitain and upgraded the OS from Yosemite directly to Sierra. Now running Sierra 10.12.2, and Weathercat 2.1.0 Build 1306. Weax station is a Davis Vantage Pro 2, and it is connected via the Davis Weatherlink IP dongle to my local network. Everything worked without fail for at least two years prior to the OS upgrade.
The behavior I am seeing is that Weathercat quits. I often know this via an email notice from Weather Underground, which says my station has stopped reporting. 75% of the time, this seems to happen between 0300 and 0400 in the morning local; otherwise it seems to happen randomly, generally after greater than 24 hours of runtime. Weathercat starts back up fine, and displays no other issues. A reboot of the OS has had no effect. I recognize that the version of Weathercat I am running is out of date, but thought I'd post here first before updating that as a fix attempt. I did notice after reading this thread this morning that the energy portion of the OS preferences had "put hard drives to sleep") checked, I've just unchecked it now, so not aware yet if that will affect this problem.
Grateful for any insight any of you may be able to provide.
Cheers from Maryland!
I would strongly suggest updating to the latest WeatherCat release. Some work arounds were needed for 10.11 and the version of WeatherCat you are running pre-dates 10.11 (and so doesn't contain those work-arounds).
Cheers.
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You don't always need to update an OS, (many of us never do that until the second corrected version, anyway) but you usually should always update your apps. I highly recommend making a compressed back up of any important app before updating it. That way, you can almost immediately return to a working version. ThU5:-)
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Dear ETA51, Stu, X-Air, and WeatherCat welcome wagon, . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/welcomewagon.gif)
Since that was your first post ETA51, let me welcome you to the WeatherCat forum! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/welcome_smiley.gif)
If you feel up to it, please do give us a bit of an introduction on this topic:
http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?board=8.0 (http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?board=8.0)
You don't always need to update an OS . . .
That wouldn't have anything to do with the observation . . . . . .
If debugging is the way to take out bugs from a piece of software, isn't programming the way to put bugs in? . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/dancing-spider-smiley-emoticon.gif)
. . . . lol(1)
Cheers, Edouard [cheers1]