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WeatherCat => WeatherCat General Discussion => Topic started by: gb509 on November 30, 2012, 10:01:27 AM

Title: Battery check
Post by: gb509 on November 30, 2012, 10:01:27 AM
To all,

When running battery power check the WC log reads:

09:55:01 30-Nov-2012:  WeatherCat Vantage Driver: ***Station Power Advice*** All transmitter batteries are good.
 09:55:13 30-Nov-2012:  WeatherCat Vantage Driver: Station Power Advice. Station voltage is now good - actual value is 4.545 Volts.

However the Console itself tells me LOW battery console and WC Hardware options screen shows battery value 3.45 V and bar is yellow

Is this normal or a possible bug?

Gerard
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: WCDev on November 30, 2012, 05:47:49 PM
Hi Gerard,
Is this via the Test Power System button in the Vantage/Vue hardware options? If so then, yes, the test disconnects the monitoring from the real data and injects simulated values which will ramp the console voltage down and up and flip the battery status of external transmitters. The test ends by setting everything to good, then switching back to the normal inputs. If Admin emails are enabled for power faults, then the relevant emails will also be sent. This allows you to set up any special filtering you may want on email or test external systems that may be monitoring the power (for example via AppleScript) without having to actually pull a battery.

If it isn't via the test, then on low (or missing) console battery, it isn't unknown for the console to send a good voltage followed by the more normal bad. At midnight it'll set all batteries to good then shortly afterwards you'll get failure messages for batteries that are actually bad - this will repeat every midnight.
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: gb509 on December 01, 2012, 06:52:24 PM
Hi Stu,

Thank you for your reply. Yes it is via the Test Power System. I do not have emails enabled but I was a bit confused about the Log data after starting the test showing different results from what it shows in the display. It is not a critical issue but I have had my Console Battery powered which gives me no comms errors whatsoever unlike the mains power according to many posts.

Thanks again for clarifying.

Gerard
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 01, 2016, 09:50:34 PM
Had this email this morning:
Station Power Alert Station voltage is low - actual value is 4.195 Volts. WC TimeStamp: 04:29:01

Later ran the Vantage Hardware Options test and got the following (all on 01-Mar-16):
3 Station Power Advice All transmitter batteries are good. WC TimeStamp: 10:18:14
4. Station Power Advice. Station voltage is now good - actual value is 4.522 Volts. WC TimeStamp: 10:18:28
5. Station Power Alert  Station voltage is low - actual value is 3.322 Volts. WC TimeStamp: 10:18:51

Replaced the station battery with one I'd bought last year not long after installing the station. Ran the "test" again and get the following:
3. Station Power Advice All transmitter batteries are good. WC TimeStamp: 15:01:01
4. Station Power Advice. Station voltage is now good - actual value is 4.518 Volts. WrC TimeStamp: 15:01:15
5. Station Power Alert Station voltage is low - actual value is 3.568 Volts. WC TimeStamp: 15:01:38

As I read the OP's question and your reply, these messages (ignoring the other two where individual channels are be tested) are normal and correct. My problem is understanding the real meaning of the messages.

Message 3. As far as I know, there is only one battery in the station/transmitter. Is that message  text (the "batteries") actually referring to the 8|7|6|5|4|3|2|ISS red/green markers in the "Transmitter Battery Status box?

Message 4. Is this the actual '123' battery voltage?Posted too quickly! [blush] According to this thread, this is actually reporting the Console battery status!? If that is correct, it is certainly confusing to have the same 'name' referring to two different things. Maybe it's my simple mind, I've been thinking that "Station" meant the ISS/transmitter station. I've thought of the Console as a receiver, although it does 'transmit' what it receives to the data logger... Hard to believe American is my native language! [banghead]

Message 5. Is this the actual Solar cell (or maybe the capacitor) output?

Does the "Console Voltage" bar become a 'progress bar' while the test in being performed? After the test completes, it does seem to indicate the value show in message 5 as Station voltage.

Not sure what I can do about this voltage while we have heavy clouds, rain, and short days. [rain2]

Thanks!
Title: Wrong batteries (Re: Battery check)
Post by: elagache on March 02, 2016, 12:14:42 AM
Dear X-Air and WeatherCat station caregivers,

Station Power Alert Station voltage is low - actual value is 4.195 Volts. WC TimeStamp: 04:29:01

These are your console batteries, not your ISS battery.  There is a single Lithium 123 battery in the ISS that has a nominal 3 volts rating.  Your console has 3 "C" batteries, so a nominal 4.5 Volts rating.  If indeed the console is down to 4.2 volts, it is time to change those batteries.  However, no need to get wet in order to do that.

Cheers, Edouard
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 02, 2016, 12:23:31 AM
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no need to get wet in order to do that.
That's only because the rain has stopped! I doubt if we have any C cells in the frig (where we keep our stash of batteries) I'll probably also put the old 123 back in the ISS, since it is likely fine. [removed link to the now costly photobucket.com site] It would help if I could find my digital Volt/Ohm meter!  [rolleyes2] [banghead] [blush]

I'm still confused as to why the label/text doesn't specify what battery is low. At least the Pref window labels things correctly, but the emails are mainly to tell me to look at that prefs window and the "Console Votage" bar... Just remember, you can't make things idiot pruf! :P I think I may edit The Manual with a note to myself...
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: Felix on March 02, 2016, 12:01:25 PM
Thanks for that explanation, Stu.

Edouard had a similar observation years ago and I'd wondered exactly what that Test button really was doing.

http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=273.0
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 02, 2016, 04:22:36 PM
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...on low (or missing) console battery, it isn't unknown for the console to send a good voltage followed by the more normal bad. At midnight it'll set all batteries to good then shortly afterwards you'll get failure messages for batteries that are actually bad - this will repeat every midnight.
If I'm reading this correctly, the "WeatherCat Vantage Driver: ***Station Power Alert*** Station voltage is low - actual value is 3.568 Volts." (which is actually reporting the Console battery status) is still reporting "low" after I replaced the three batteries and ran the "Test" again. But will "At midnight it'll set all batteries to good...".

OR it will report good and then low, if the then just purchased batteries are actually 'out-of-date/low'.

OR...  [banghead]

Bottom line:
1. If a message indicates "Station voltage" is <~2, it is be talking about the Console batteries, since the Transmitter has only one cell where it is extremely rare to find more than 1.5 volts.
2. The transmitter battery does not report any voltages, it is either good or bad as indicated by the eight segment "Transmitter Battery Status" graphic with labels per segment that mean something to someone. [rolleyes2]
3. Console battery voltage is not valid until after midnight of the day they are changed.

If the "Bottom line" is correct, I will be printing it on a piece of paper and digitally taping it to the PDF Manual. :)
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: Blicj11 on March 02, 2016, 06:27:38 PM
1. If a message indicates "Station voltage" is <~2, it is be talking about the Console batteries, since the Transmitter has only one cell where it is extremely rare to find more than 1.5 volts.

The transmitter (ISS) battery has a nominal rating of 3 volts so you definitely want a reading of way more than 1.5.
Title: Not using the AC adapter for console? (Re: Battery check)
Post by: elagache on March 02, 2016, 11:21:44 PM
Dear X-Air, Blick, and WeatherCat station caregivers,

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no need to get wet in order to do that.
That's only because the rain has stopped! I doubt if we have any C cells in the frig (where we keep our stash of batteries) I'll probably also put the old 123 back in the ISS, since it is likely fine. [tup] It would help if I could find my digital Volt/Ohm meter!  [rolleyes2] [banghead] [blush]

Yes indeed it would help if you could run a test on the batteries in question, especially if your volt meter has a load test which many do for 1.5 volt batteries.

However, I'm puzzled by something else.  Are you using the AC adapter to power the console or not?  Even if you have the console plugged into the wall, it is a good idea to replace the batteries once a year since they are your backup in case of power failure.  Still, unless you have a lot of power problems, those "C" batteries should be essentially unused.

By the way there is no reason to keep disposable batteries in the refrigerator.  There is an interesting explanation on this website:

http://www.greenbatteries.com/battery-myths-vs-battery-facts-1/#Freezer (http://www.greenbatteries.com/battery-myths-vs-battery-facts-1/#Freezer)

It turns out that rechargeable batteries benefit from being kept cold, but disposable batteries will do fine in a cool pantry.

Cheers, Edouard  [cheers1]
Title: Re: Not using the AC adapter for console? (Re: Battery check)
Post by: Blicj11 on March 03, 2016, 01:42:03 PM
By the way there is no reason to keep disposable batteries in the refrigerator.  There is an interesting explanation on this website:

http://www.greenbatteries.com/battery-myths-vs-battery-facts-1/#Freezer (http://www.greenbatteries.com/battery-myths-vs-battery-facts-1/#Freezer)

Edouard, just curious, have you tried the CR123A batteries from that website? The price is great. Somewhere else on the forum I recall Herb posted a link to a study that showed there is a longevity difference between generic and brand name 3 volt batteries.
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 03, 2016, 04:09:17 PM
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Are you using the AC adapter to power the console or not?  Even if you have the console plugged into the wall, it is a good idea to replace the batteries once a year since they are your backup in case of power failure.  Still, unless you have a lot of power problems, those "C" batteries should be essentially unused.
And thus the third "OR" in my last post. Just now back home to check the "reset batteries" 'solution only to find the Console also reporting a "Low Console Batteries" message on the screen. The Hardware Options test dialog had reset; it was showing 2.65V! Unplugged/replugged the AC adaptor but I really need to find the meter to check the voltage that's being supplied.

I'm off to run errands (meds for the cat!), three more batteries and one more search for the meter! If I don't find it I will buy another... and then find the old one! [banghead]

If we don't keep the batteries in the frig, how will we be able to find them?! [wink]
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 03, 2016, 06:21:08 PM
New batteries. New meter.
All because (I think) the power adaptor plug was not fully into the Console. The center contact is very deep in the plug, had to use a straightened paper clip to even get contact with it. Voltage was close to 4.8. Plugged it back into the Console and it beeped and thanked me for buying Davis hardware. Not sure how/when the plug got pulled out just enough to lose contact, I'd done some work behind the desk last week... I think the cat did it! Yeah, That's the ticket!
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 03, 2016, 08:35:06 PM
The Console seems to have kept all the weather data in memory while replacing the batteries. Unplugging and re-plugging the AC adapter started displaying current data without needing to run through all the screens.

WC "detected it had lost connection" with the Console, suggested Restarting the computer. I decided to Quit WC first. After pressing command-q several times and seeing the black dialog window showing some text and seeing a 5, ...4, ...3, ...2, ...1 and WC not shutting dow, much less WC, I 'quickly' remembered that I'd used the 'double-quit' function. [banghead] Nothing gets by me!!! [blush]

Restarted the machine and WC is now updating the web site! [cheer] Strangely, the Console battery voltage is still decreasing. It's now down to 2.41.83v! Either the AC adapter has quit or the voltage indication is like most battery testers; not much good.
Title: Something out of whack (Re: Battery check)
Post by: elagache on March 03, 2016, 11:01:03 PM
Dear Blick, X-Air, and WeatherCat troubleshooters,

Edouard, just curious, have you tried the CR123A batteries from that website? The price is great. Somewhere else on the forum I recall Herb posted a link to a study that showed there is a longevity difference between generic and brand name 3 volt batteries.

No, I haven't tried those particular batteries.  I've been doing my part to keep Herb in the pink and buying them from Amazon (where he gets his commission of course!  ;D )  Because there are two people in the house with serious mobility issues, we end up buying quite a bit from Amazon.  So it is more convenient to just add those batteries to the items purchased there.

Strangely, the Console battery voltage is still decreasing. It's now down to 2.41.83v! Either the AC adapter has quit or the voltage indication is like most battery testers; not much good.

X-Air, you've got something out of whack on your Davis setup.  You might try double-checking the voltage on the AC adapter if your new volt tester will allow it.  However, it is hard to believe that could fail.  You may have a console with "issuez."  If you continue to see this, you probably should call Davis technical support and see what they think.  Your station should be still under warranty, but if you have to send the console in . . . you'll lose some data.  :(

Sorry, you've are observing this sort of thing.

Edouard
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 04, 2016, 02:16:04 AM
Just unplugged the AC adaptor again. Checked good voltage, ~39 mA. Plugged back into Console. Ran through the Set up procedure, even though every thing was still as previously set.

Tools->Status:
Station Comms: Poor - Check Installation (84.01%). However, it started increasing and is now up to 84.45%.  :)
Comms Error: 23 and steady
Watchdog: OK
Good Data: 86xx and increasing
Sensor Errors: 1311 and steady

Tools->Hardware Options:
Transmitter Battery Status: all good after cycling through their tests
Console Voltage: 4.72 [removed link to the now castly photobucket.com site]

Console display: No longer showing "low battery voltage"

Resembles the DC-10s I used to fly. We called them "Electric Jets". Sometimes resetting circuit breakers wasn't enough. Sometimes it required shutting down all three jet motors, the APU, disconnecting ground power, and disconnecting the batteries. That was sometimes the only way to get things back in sequence! Basically, forcing all relays to relax and reboot the airplane! [rolleyes2] Only on the ground, of course. Also similar to the brain transplant I'm on the waiting list for! [cheer] [lol]

Just after posting the above text:
Station Comms: Average - Check Installation (85.06%) and increasing
Good Data: 8906 and increasing
Sensor Errors: 1311 and steady
Title: DC-10 | 747
Post by: dfw_pilot on March 04, 2016, 06:31:47 AM
Todays ECAM/EICAS driven airplanes are even worse. ACARS and CPDLC circuit breakers have to be reset weekly on our 747's that came off the assembly line just months prior.
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 04, 2016, 02:34:17 PM
Woke up today to see the return of low console batteries both on the Console and the Hardware Options panel (1.72v!).

I bought a bunch of 1' "extension" cords (just a foot of cable between the male/female plugs) last month to help with handling 'wall warts and normally spaced multiple outlet boxes/panels. The Davis AC adapter is one of those slightly too big 'warts'. Added one of the 1' cords so there was no 'elbowing' by other plugs.

Console made the required beeping complaining about being unplugged for a few seconds. But the display is back to pre-set current date/time/etc., flashing "X", no 'low battery' message. Hardware Options now showing 4.72V. Had a few bad Comms, but holding at 2590. Good Comms 27319 and increasing. Valid data showing at web site.

Bad/lose AC outlet? We'll see. If things become unstable after 4pm here, I should still have at least an hour to contact Davis before everyone leaves for the weekend! [banghead]
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: Bull Winkus on March 04, 2016, 07:55:15 PM
Just unplugged the AC adaptor again. Checked good voltage, ~39 mA. Plugged back into Console. Ran through the Set up procedure, even though every thing was still as previously set.

~~~


Voltage? Why are you reporting milliamp if you were checking voltage? If you are checking mA across the powered plug end, you are measuring current going through your tester. Are you doing this to determine if the adaptor is putting out? ? Color me confused?
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 04, 2016, 09:13:47 PM
Didn't record the actual voltage but well over 4.5. It was difficult enough just holding the leads against the paper clip (required to touch the deeply recessed center contact) and the slippery sleeve of the plug. The mA does, at least show some current available. I'd have to unplug the adapter (again!) to see its rated amperage (you are welcomed to check the Davis site for that info, BTW). Sorry for the confusion, I'm no electrician but I did help connect some Christmas lights on the porch last year! :P

Since you asked...
Looking at the Hardware Options window again and seeing a reported Console voltage now at 1.73V and the Console also reporting "Low Batteries". I'm going to contact Davis as soon as I post this. [banghead]
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: Bull Winkus on March 04, 2016, 10:12:52 PM
Be sure and check the polarity of each individual battery in the console. You can also check that all batteries have about the same voltage. One weak one can spoil the party.

Sounds like you've got a mystery on your hands. Good luck!

 [cheers1]
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 04, 2016, 10:47:09 PM
Just finished talking with "Bruce" at Davis. Ran through some 'hidden' trouble-shooting steps (using the TEMP and HUM buttons). Bottom line is hat the Console simply is not seeing the batteries at all; zero voltage. But he also claims the center contact on the Console end of the plug is "flush" with the end of the plug. Mine is a full 1mm down, inside the end of the plug. That's why I had to use an unfolded paper clip to reach the center tap, the lead on my meter is ~3/32" diameter. It only touches the center contact when inserted a full 7/32" into the end.[removed link to the now castly photobucket.com site]
No center contact showing inside the black plastic tip.
[removed link to the now castly photobucket.com site]
There's something down there, but the flash is off center enough that it still doesn't show the center  contact.
Anyone willing to look at their plug (Console end) and report the center contact position?

Also tested the C cells, each one read 1.567v (no load). Still, the Console refused to display anything with only the C cells installed.

Have an RAM number. Should be getting a new Console and adapter within 7 - 10 days. Meanwhile, the thing seems to work fine on AC adapter power alone and it doesn't even draw any power from the batteries!
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 04, 2016, 11:15:11 PM
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Be sure and check the polarity of each individual battery in the console.
What? Are you trying to say they should all be positive to negative?! What about the two on each end?! They aren't touching another battery at all!! Actually, I've been very close to an idiot [blush] who put the ISS battery in backwards! But I don't let him near anything electrical anymore!

Details, details, DETAILS!!!

Actually, the only reason I buy "Copper Top" batteries is that it's easier to tell if multiple batteries are aligned properly... [wink]

BTW, the only Console battery contact one can see easily is the positive one and it looks clean. The negative one has a spring mount and there is some mechanical force pushing them toward the positive end, but I can't actually see if the spring is still connected to that end of the circuit board. I'll let Davis tear the box apart to determine that... or anything else they can.

I will say that Davis had no problem with my having bought the hardware from Rainman. They had my info in their database, so they knew it's still under warranty
Title: Glad Davis came through for you. (Re: Battery check)
Post by: elagache on March 04, 2016, 11:16:16 PM
Dear X-Air and WeatherCat troubleshooters,

Just finished talking with "Bruce" at Davis. Ran through some 'hidden' trouble-shooting steps (using the TEMP and HUM buttons). Bottom line is hat the Console simply is not seeing the batteries at all; zero voltage.

Wow!  That's an odd sort of failure.  Did Bruce have any explanation for the problem?

Have an RAM number. Should be getting a new Console and adapter within 7 - 10 days. Meanwhile, the thing seems to work fine on AC adapter power alone and it doesn't even draw any power from the batteries!

Glad that Davis has stood behind their products and that you won't have to lose any data to get this problem sorted out!

Cheers, Edouard  [cheers1]
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 04, 2016, 11:34:35 PM
Press and hold those two buttons time and the Console will display the batteries total voltage on the bottom display line. Press DONE to return to the regularly scheduled display.

Mine would only display "BGN 15 BATTERY ? ?". I have no idea what "BGN" means, of course. Just did this procedure again, but this time the "15" changed to "20". There are several other numbers displayed, two of them seem to be the number of seconds since something happened, they count upwards during this mode. One may be the number of seconds since (AC) power was restored. The other may be just the number of seconds since this mode started. Other numbers have meaning only to Davis and possibly the IRS. [banghead]
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 05, 2016, 04:45:24 PM
The Console seems happy enough to just repeat the low battery condition. BTW, the TEMP + HUM procedures is now saying "BGN 17 BATTERY ? ?", still no idea what he number means. Perhaps BGN stands for Batteries Going North? That would seem the opposite of "Going South (or West in the UK)" which seems to be the worst direction! :P WC seems fine, also. And there have been zero comms error since my last Console trouble-shooting.
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 11, 2016, 10:29:33 PM
The new Console came today. Managed to get it set up before leaving for a movie. Everything looked fine on the screen.

Not so much from WC. Looked at the shared screen for the mini and saw a no station found dialog. Selected the USB logger didn't help. WC Status showing nothing.

I remembered that during the Console Setup, I never saw the Baud Rate screen. That should be the last screen in the process. Perhaps I didn't completely seat the logger? Unplugged the AC adaptor, removed the batteries, pulled out the logger, reinserted it, firmly inserting it into the Console.

This time, running through the Set Up steps, I did get the baud rate screen, and confirmed that it was 19200. Restarted WC, again.

The sensor list (can't figure out how I looked at that, now [banghead]) shows the Wind Direction and Speed as invalid. However, the winds are about as calm as can be, so I'm not sure it's "invalid" or simply not changing.

WC Core reporting equal Good Data and Sensor Errors (~600 in both after ~20 minutes of running). Station Comms: is, obviously, "Bad (0.00%). However, Comms Errors is only 16 and holding.

I've Restarted both the mini and WC a couple of times. Un/Re-plugged the logger. Changed the USB cable (and port on the mini), searched for several terms (sensors, channels, comm(s), valid/invalid, etc.). Used the "Configure Comms & Exit" options twice (which really seems to simply Quit WC, after hitting command-Q again, since I have that method enabled).

TwoOne questions:
1. What else can I do? [blush]
2. Where is that sensor list window and why can't a search of the manual find it? Found a link in the WC Wiki that pointed to the thread where the Dev noted it is in the "Live Data" tool. [rolleyes2] While I am seeing the Wind sensor data as being "Invalid" I have no idea why it was working before I changed the Console and now doesn't. I suppose it means a trip up to the roof to check the wiring/cups/vane/solar panel/battery. I'll probably wait until the rain stops... next Monday, I think.

I think what this means is that the Console and WC are talking to each other fine. Just not getting any wind data.

At least with the bad Console, I was getting good data/comms! I'm about ready to re-install it and ignore the non-DC power method!

BTW, the TEMP + HUM button combo reports the DC output of the C cells. Mine now reads "BGN 16 BATTERY 4.8V". [removed link to the now castly photobucket.com site]
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 11, 2016, 11:05:36 PM
Just checking emails and found one from WC reporting that "Comms reset successful." That was probably the last time I rand the "Configure Comms and Exit" function. Not sure what that's supposed to do. AT least once after doing that, I think I got the 'cannot connect' dialog and selected the USB logger, again. I know for sure, the last time I used it, WC just started back normally, without reporting any comms problems. My bad for not keeping better trouble-shooting actions/results. >:( :( [blush] [rolleyes2]

The new Console was installed ~12:15 and that's why I got two emails from WC:
1. "Comms to station have failed, trying to reset. Results to follow... TimeStamp: 12:20:44"
2. "Station comms reset FAILED. Weather is no longer updating. Please check station and USB/serial connections then reboot WeatherCat. TimeStamp: 12:21:03"

The reconnection message was: "Comms reset successful. TimeStamp: 15:55:03" It was a long, but interesting movie. Events with the Console were not as entertaining! [rolleyes2]
Title: Odd to have multiple failures. (Re: Battery check)
Post by: elagache on March 11, 2016, 11:17:28 PM
Dear X-Air and WeatherCat troubleshooters,

The new Console came today. Managed to get it set up before leaving for a movie. Everything looked fine on the screen.

 [wink] . . . . Okay, that's your first mistake!  Stay away from all that fantasy stuff and stick to "honest" (honest? (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/scratch_head.gif) ) documentaries! . . .  [biggrin]

If you can find any honest documentaries please let me know - I haven't seen one in such a long time!!  (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/D'oh.gif)

TwoOne questions:
1. What else can I do? [blush]
2. Where is that sensor list window and why can't a search of the manual find it? Found a link in the WC Wiki that pointed to the thread where the Dev noted it is in the "Live Data" tool. [rolleyes2] While I am seeing the Wind sensor data as being "Invalid" I have no idea why it was working before I changed the Console and now doesn't. I suppose it means a trip up to the roof to check the wiring/cups/vane/solar panel/battery. I'll probably wait until the rain stops... next Monday, I think.

I think what this means is that the Console and WC are talking to each other fine. Just not getting any wind data.

That's extremely odd.  It seems incredibly unlikely that your anemometer would have failed at precisely the moment you installed your new console.  You still have the old console and it was working even for wind data - correct?  Could you swap the old console back to see if still reports no wind data?  If the old console works for wind data, then you have another bad console.  I can't imagine anything else.

Any other advice WeatherCat troubleshooters?

Edouard

P.S. Just had a momentary power outage that whacked the backup drive on my computer.  We'll see if Apple First Aid can revive da' patient.
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 11, 2016, 11:26:50 PM
I did get another email notice from WC just before the one in my last post. All of them occurred when I disconnected the old Console. Here's the one email that was the frist one to report problems... while I was speedily configuring the new Console:
"Sensor failure at sample time. Failed sensors are: External temperature, Pressure, Precipitation, Wind, External humidity, Internal temperature. Internal humidity.
TimeStamp: 12:20:24"
Quote
Could you swap the old console back to see if still reports no wind data?
Sure, don't have any more movies coming up! 8) Maybe I can keep better records of actions/reactions...
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 11, 2016, 11:47:19 PM
Old Console reported Gail Force (not to be confused with Gale Force) wind of 0 to 1mph from the east. That was sure easier than climbing back up on the roof!.
Unfortunately, the New Console  reports only 0 mph and no direction at all (even with the vane pointing east)! Another call going to Davis... after I re-install the old Console which reports all data! [banghead]

After the phone call:

So SIMPLE (minded!). The key here is that I mentioned "roof"! As in, "The anemometer is remote from the ISS, that's why it has its own battery/solar panel." Since I've slept several times since installing that anemometer some ~10 months ago, my WIFE forgot that it also required telling the Console that the Wind data was coming from another transmitter, NOT the main ISS! I guess I'll simply have to start writing this stuff in the Journal, since I can't depend on HER to remember! [rolleyes2]

Long story short: Brian instructed me to run through the transmitters the Console was receiving from and noted that only one was listed; the main ISS, of course. He then very politely instruct me how to enable another transmitter for the Console to monitor! I had the phone on speaker, so my WIFE could hear the instructions, also... [headbang] [banghead] [blush] 8)
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: Blicj11 on March 12, 2016, 01:32:51 PM
I love it when one of these weather data mysteries comes to a logical conclusion. Thanks for sharing.

A couple of years ago I actually pulled together a step-by-step document outlining everything I knew at the time about installing WC and my weather station hardware. It has come in quite handy on more than one occasion.
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: dfw_pilot on March 12, 2016, 01:34:43 PM
LOL! Pilot wives are all the same! :)

BTW, be careful if you google Gail Force (not Gale Force) . . .  ha!
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 12, 2016, 04:36:33 PM
First, I want to make sure you all know that none of these problems were caused by WC. Second, I am very happy with the tech support from both Bruce and Brian(sp?) at Davis. They were both knowledgeable, courteous, efficient, and helpful in trouble-shooting by phone. [removed link to the now castly photobucket.com site][cheer] I can only wish more companies had tech support like these two gentlemen!
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 12, 2016, 09:28:32 PM
Wunderground & CWOP both show "Running" in the WC Status->On-Line Services area. But they also both show Packets: 0/0. Neither site shows any data since yesterday.A Quit/Restart WC seems to have fixed both those Partners.
 
Restarting WC also cleared Bad Comms/Sensor Errors; they are now both 0. Station Comms is back to 100.00%.

Noticed the webcam video on my site was from yesterday, while weather data is from today. Strange. ~/Library/App Support/WCMedia/Movies/Today shows 15 movies as of 3:23. [removed link to the now castly photobucket.com site] ~/Library/App Support/WCMedia/Pictures show all new jpegs up to current time. Show Video Preview looks fine. I manually uploaded the "WeatherCatDailyMovie.mov" a few minutes before WC created a newer one. But it does not seem to have been uploaded. That was before restarting WC, however, so I'll see how it does in about 35 minutes.
Title: Problem continuing? (Re: Battery check)
Post by: elagache on March 12, 2016, 09:54:51 PM
Dear X-Air and WeatherCat troubleshooters,

So is the situation the same at this time?  Only the anemometer is reporting errors?

Cheers, Edouard
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 12, 2016, 10:08:29 PM
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So is the situation the same at this time?  Only the anemometer is reporting errors?
Only problem

No no! All sensors are showing valid data and it is now being sent to WU and CWOP. Everything seems fine except for getting the latest movie uploaded to my site, and that may be fixed by the time I post this. UPDATE: It seems to be working there. also. The last created move (from 3:00 to 3:58) was just uploaded. It's just a few minutes past 4pm local. The only thing I see that is incorrect now is that the WCAM640$ image is not showing in one of my [rolleyes2]pages. It IS being uploaded, my WIFE must have made an erer on the web paige...

UPDATE #2:My WIFE must be working on the web site on her iPad, she's not in here with her MBP, but the correct image(webcam640.jpg) is now being updated on the Stations page. I guess I need to go thank her! [headbang]

Everything seems to be purfek! [cheer]
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: WCDev on March 13, 2016, 12:58:44 PM
Sounds like your all good.

Ignore the test option in the Vantage hardware options - the only thing it does is make sure all the relevant alerts get sent out by testing every possible power state - the 8 binary states for each of the transmitting stations and the analogue voltage reading from the console with appropriate trigger levels.
 
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 13, 2016, 01:51:56 PM
I can assure you that the alerts and voltage warnings work! Probably cost me at least one movie viewing because of the bandwidth used! [lol2]

I mentioned the voltage displays on that dialog and the tech, of course, had no knowledge of how one would get that info through the logger. [rolleyes2] However, it seems to be very accurate, and therefore useful for an early warning. In my case it was not relevant as the voltage from the batteries went from nominal to zero.  I'm not sure what value you use for a warning, is it ~4 V where the color changes from Green to Yellow, or the change to Red (~2 V?)?
Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: WCDev on March 13, 2016, 04:30:19 PM
The actual indicator warning value is 4v (orange), critical at 3v (red).

The warning email depends on the logger but will go out before the voltage drops to 4v - if it's USB then the email warning voltage is slightly lower than if it's the IP logger (as the IP one will run down the batteries very much quicker than the USB one, so the email warning threshold is set at a higher voltage for the IP one).



Title: Re: Battery check
Post by: xairbusdriver on March 13, 2016, 07:26:53 PM
OK, thanks! Got a couple of plugs for WC while talking with Bruce and Brian, also. ;)