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Weather => General Weather Discussion => Topic started by: awilltx on November 27, 2015, 03:10:46 PM
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Just after midnight, we set a new record for annual rain here in North Texas.
Not only that, it's still raining and will continue through Sunday morning. With another month to go, I'd say this record is going to stand for a long while.
A soggy yours,
Alan
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Weather records are exciting, unless someone gets hurt. Thanks for sharing.
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Up here in N. Arkansas, We're a little over 54.6 inches for the year. We have only gotten 0.1 inches out of this event, so far.
Texas has been getting more than usual this year, for sure. It is probably associated with the stronger than usual El Ni?o, but I wonder sometimes if a global warming might mean a stronger gradient between tropical and polar temperatures causing greater oscillation in the jet stream with more frequent and stronger frontal activity than in previous years.
In other words, more this [thermo] leading to more this. [thunder]
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Dear Alan, Herb, and WeatherCat rain gauge runneth over types . . . .
;) . . . You know it is extremely impolite not to share all that wet stuff! . . . . [rain2]
Around here it is still looking like . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/desert-smiley.gif)
It is sufficiently bad that the local office of the National Weather Service made a point to mention in the discussion that El Ni?o normally doesn't effect our weather until January. I don't know if I should be hopeful or terrorized!
Oh well, . . . . Edouard
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Hope you don't have a lot of loose desert sitting higher in the gravity well than you are.
I'll share my wet stuff. If you'll just build a cistern, you can come empty it any time you get ready.
Any style will do:
(http://www.electrummagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Clint_Koehler.jpg)
(http://richmondsfblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/cistern1.jpg)
(http://www.lid-stormwater.net/images/cistern12.jpg)
You know, come to think of it, if you're going to build one, it might prove more convenient to build it next to your house.
Like this:
(http://desert-rain.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/CisternView.jpg)
[cheers1]
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Utah passed a law a few years ago that says that all water belongs to the state unless you have proof of purchase for water rights. What this means is that the water that falls out of the sky belongs to the state and cannot be collected in barrels, cisterns, old pop bottles, etc. Some people have been prosecuted for stealing water and it holds up in court. Therefore, no cisterns here. At least none holding any water.
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Thanks Blick! I didn't know that. Seems like a pretty strange law. Perhaps even a bit unconstitutional? Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Hard to be happy or remain alive without water. ? There must be some important justification for it. ? Ay?
[coffee]
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Utah passed a law a few years ago that says that all water belongs to the state unless you have proof of purchase for water rights.
Yikes! is that for real? Shocking for sure. What next? Charge us for the air we breathe in the "fine" state of Utah.
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I'd love to hear the "reasoning" behind such a law. Sounds like nothing more than a
land water grab for taxation purposes! In our location, the city gets a minimum payment (per meter connection) whether you actually use any water or not. I also have a ~250 gal plastic/aluminum frame liquid shipping container collecting water from a couple of downspouts. That water is used in the <900 gal fish pond/water garden (visible on my weather site webcam). Saves paying form 'city' water and completely avoids the chlorine problems. In Utah, I'd get a fine for stealing water and wasting it on fish and plants! Of course, we do get a bit more rain around here than probably any place in Utah... And most of our lakes can not used to produce salt!
OTOH, if your property is damaged by rain water (flood, rain caused land slide, etc.), can you sue the State? It's their water, after all. They should be liable in any lack of control of it! [banghead]
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Dear Blick, Herb, Michael, X-Air, and WeatherCat drought watchers,
Utah passed a law a few years ago that says that all water belongs to the state unless you have proof of purchase for water rights.
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I suspect that this was actually some sort of attempt to reign in disputed water rights claims with respect to for example how groundwater is replenished. In California there was a lot of complaining about institutions with preexisting water rights. For example the Hearst family has an estate in northern California with the rights of all the water from a substantial stream. This was pointed to as an example of the rich wasting water while the rest of the state struggled with shortages.
Honestly, it sounds like a silly law at the level of homeowners. Perhaps some Utah legislator will realize the political advantages to permitting residences to collect precipitation for home use (perhaps with a limit on the size of collection containers.) Considering how "patriotic" is has become to use water wisely, it sounds like a bill that would translate into votes next election.
It is a very sad state of affairs no matter how you look at it . . . . . :(
Edouard
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The Utah legislature is heavily influenced by real estate developers. Don't exactly know what their angle on the water rights legislation is. But last summer, in southern Utah, where the drought is awful, they suspended water rights that were purchased after a certain date. In other words, when water ran low, the more recently obtained water rights were worthless. I can't remember the cutoff date, but it was back in the 1930s or 40s. Any rights that originated after the cutoff date were ignored until we got some additional water from the sky.
Meanwhile, its been snowing at our place and we're into our 4th day of below freezing daily high temperatures.
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its been snowing at our place and we're into our 4th day of below freezing daily high temperatures
Does that "water law" cover all physical states of the chemical? I know that storing snow is much less efficient than its liquid state, however... [rockon]
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Utah passed a law a few years ago that says that all water belongs to the state unless you have proof of purchase for water rights. What this means is that the water that falls out of the sky belongs to the state and cannot be collected in barrels, cisterns, old pop bottles, etc. Some people have been prosecuted for stealing water and it holds up in court. Therefore, no cisterns here. At least none holding any water.
Same here in Colorado except the water does not belong to the state but water right holders. Being I have a augmented well with purchased water rights, I can capture the water that falls on my roof and reappropriate it how I see fit. I just wonder how the law perceives snow fall? It it snows 2 feet, you drive off with the snow on your car roof, it melts somewhere else, have you stolen the water [roll]
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It it snows 2 feet, you drive off with the snow on your car roof, it melts somewhere else, have you stolen the water
Exactly! You nailed it. They don't prosecute for stealing snow; just rainfall. I also have water rights associated with my real property, and they explicitly state that my rights are for culinary water only, which means I can't water plants and trees, or technically speaking, wash my car. I am a law-abiding person, but I have been known to wash my car a few times a year. I also may or may not have a drip line irrigation system for a dozen Colorado Blue Spruce trees we planted four years ago. They won't need to be manually watered forever, but I may or may not plan to go another summer or two, just to make sure they get good start, assuming I have a drip line to begin with, which may or may not be true.
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Utah passed a law a few years ago that says that all water belongs to the state unless you have proof of purchase for water rights. What this means is that the water that falls out of the sky belongs to the state and cannot be collected in barrels, cisterns, old pop bottles, etc. Some people have been prosecuted for stealing water and it holds up in court. Therefore, no cisterns here. At least none holding any water.
Srsly? America is a strange place :)
Meanwhile, its been snowing at our place and we're into our 4th day of below freezing daily high temperatures.
Says the man who doesn't have the current temperature in his banner...
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Says the man who doesn't have the current temperature in his banner...
As you said, "America is a strange place." Showing our temperature would just make it easier to pin point our location!!! "Even paranoid people have enemies!" [lol2]
Much of our "strangeness" comes from the State (and municipal) laws. I'm sure that Utah and most western States have many laws specifically about water that those in more rainy areas would find unusual, if not strange.
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Says the man who doesn't have the current temperature in his banner...
Ha ha ha. The banner does indicate "Freezing."