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Title: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: HantaYo on October 19, 2015, 12:35:50 AM
Hi everyone,

The wind speed on my VP Vantage Pro is not reporting.  Davis recommended removing/putting back the wind cups as well as checking the cabling.  Took down the mast and to my surprise found numerous instances of the plastic cable conduit being compromised.  In places you can see metal (not copper but silver color).  I am wondering if the Davis RJ-15 cable is shielded?  Likely a moot point; the cable needs replaced.

Thanks!
Title: No shielding (Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?)
Post by: elagache on October 19, 2015, 10:15:53 PM
Dear Jeff and WeatherCat station caregivers,

The wind speed on my VP Vantage Pro is not reporting.  Davis recommended removing/putting back the wind cups as well as checking the cabling.  Took down the mast and to my surprise found numerous instances of the plastic cable conduit being compromised.  In places you can see metal (not copper but silver color).  I am wondering if the Davis RJ-15 cable is shielded?  Likely a moot point; the cable needs replaced.

I had to splice my anemometer cable when I moved my station transmitter about 30 feet.  I didn't take any pictures apparently but at least on the VP-2 there is no metal shielding.  It is a standard 4-conductor telephone cable.  If you need to splice the cable, scotchlok connectors work very well.  Davis supplies them in their cable splicing kits but you can get them in any telephone or electronics supply house.  Here is a video on how to use them:

https://youtu.be/vV16ahOr6po (https://youtu.be/vV16ahOr6po)

Good luck getting your anemometer back into operation!  (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/lucky_shamrock.gif)

Cheers, Edouard
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: LesCimes on October 19, 2015, 11:57:38 PM
Might be a good time to upgrade the wire with a custom type. Not sure what that would be, but surely there is something out there that would be more durable than standard telephone cable.
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: HantaYo on October 20, 2015, 06:37:30 PM
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I had to splice my anemometer cable when I moved my station transmitter about 30 feet.  I didn't take any pictures apparently but at least on the VP-2 there is no metal shielding.  It is a standard 4-conductor telephone cable.  If you need to splice the cable, scotchlok connectors work very well.  Davis supplies them in their cable splicing kits but you can get them in any telephone or electronics supply house.  Here is a video on how to use them:

https://youtu.be/vV16ahOr6po

I'll check out the scotchlok connectors.  Looks like I can continue to use the Davis weather proof box with them.  The exposed cable I am seeing though it is silver.  I'll check out the wire when I splice everything.  Hopefully the hardware store has some connectors.  Radio Shack closed several years ago.  Other than that, it is the internet  [banghead]

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Might be a good time to upgrade the wire with a custom type. Not sure what that would be, but surely there is something out there that would be more durable than standard telephone cable.
 

Likely insulated CAT 5?  I'll hold off on a wire upgrade and hope Davis upgrades the Vantage Pro line soon.  I would like a wireless anemometer.  The wire from the mast to the weather station is buried in PVC pipe so it is pretty protected.
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: Bull Winkus on October 20, 2015, 09:29:31 PM
Just a couple of thoughts, which may or may not be useful since I don't know all the details.

If any of the wire is loose from the sensor head to the entry of the conduit pipe, flapping in the breeze will over time wear the insulation away. If the wire is still carrying the signal, while not touching anything to ground, then you can just wrap it with a good quality electrical tape, then secure the wire to the mast at several places to prevent further damage.

Cat 5 and other Ethernet cables are heavier, but are twisted. Phone cable is not. Rule of thumb when replacing cable. Replace twisted with twisted, and straight with straight.

Hopefully you can continue to use the existing cable for several more years.

 [cheers1]
Title: Wiring the same for VP-1 and VP-2 (Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?)
Post by: elagache on October 20, 2015, 10:35:52 PM
Dear Jeff, Herb, and WeatherCat station cabling experts,

I'll check out the scotchlok connectors.  Looks like I can continue to use the Davis weather proof box with them.  The exposed cable I am seeing though it is silver.  I'll check out the wire when I splice everything.  Hopefully the hardware store has some connectors.  Radio Shack closed several years ago.  Other than that, it is the internet  [banghead]

Likely insulated CAT 5?  I'll hold off on a wire upgrade and hope Davis upgrades the Vantage Pro line soon.  I would like a wireless anemometer.  The wire from the mast to the weather station is buried in PVC pipe so it is pretty protected.

If you simply want to splice in a section of newer cable, I just checked and Davis cable kits are the same for the Vantage Pro and Vantage Pro-2:

http://www.davisnet.com/weather/products/install_cables.asp (http://www.davisnet.com/weather/products/install_cables.asp)

Davis sells a splicing kit with the scotchlok connectors and weather-proof box.  That's what I used to extend the cables of all my instruments.  So you could replace that cable for a very moderate cost and allow yourself plenty of time to wait for the VP-3 or whatever Davis has on their R&D workbench right now.

Cheers, Edouard  [cheers1]

P.S. if you go Internet for the Davis wiring kits definitely go with one of the discount dealers.  This thread lists "da' usual suspects" . . . .

http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=1880.0;topicseen (http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=1880.0;topicseen)
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: HantaYo on October 21, 2015, 01:29:38 AM
Dear Jeff, Herb, and WeatherCat station cabling experts,

I'll check out the scotchlok connectors.  Looks like I can continue to use the Davis weather proof box with them.  The exposed cable I am seeing though it is silver.  I'll check out the wire when I splice everything.  Hopefully the hardware store has some connectors.  Radio Shack closed several years ago.  Other than that, it is the internet  [banghead]

Likely insulated CAT 5?  I'll hold off on a wire upgrade and hope Davis upgrades the Vantage Pro line soon.  I would like a wireless anemometer.  The wire from the mast to the weather station is buried in PVC pipe so it is pretty protected.

If you simply want to splice in a section of newer cable, I just checked and Davis cable kits are the same for the Vantage Pro and Vantage Pro-2:

http://www.davisnet.com/weather/products/install_cables.asp (http://www.davisnet.com/weather/products/install_cables.asp)

Davis sells a splicing kit with the scotchlok connectors and weather-proof box.  That's what I used to extend the cables of all my instruments.  So you could replace that cable for a very moderate cost and allow yourself plenty of time to wait for the VP-3 or whatever Davis has on their R&D workbench right now.

Cheers, Edouard  [cheers1]

P.S. if you go Internet for the Davis wiring kits definitely go with one of the discount dealers.  This thread lists "da' usual suspects" . . . .

http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=1880.0;topicseen (http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=1880.0;topicseen)
Just a couple of thoughts, which may or may not be useful since I don't know all the details.

If any of the wire is loose from the sensor head to the entry of the conduit pipe, flapping in the breeze will over time wear the insulation away. If the wire is still carrying the signal, while not touching anything to ground, then you can just wrap it with a good quality electrical tape, then secure the wire to the mast at several places to prevent further damage.

Cat 5 and other Ethernet cables are heavier, but are twisted. Phone cable is not. Rule of thumb when replacing cable. Replace twisted with twisted, and straight with straight.

Hopefully you can continue to use the existing cable for several more years.

 [cheers1]
When I put up the mast in 2009 I bought the 100' Davis extension wire kit.  However I only needed 50'.  I did not cut off the left over as I was thinking about extending the mast to 32 ft (at that time and currently it is 24 ft).  The remainder I wound up and tied to the base of the mast with cable ties- this is where the abrasions occurred (see picture).  I believe I have enough wire to to cut out the bad wire and splice back together.  This time I might connect a PVC pipe to the bottom of the mast and run the wire through it to eliminate the abrasion point.  Open to any ideas of securing the splice box to the mast.  The splice box is about 1" x 4" round cylinder if memory serves me.

The locale hardware store ordered the scotchlok cable splicers.  Had to order 100 of them so a lifetime supply.

(https://www.mu-43.com/media/43695/full)
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: xairbusdriver on October 21, 2015, 02:38:20 AM
Hard to tell from that image, but it appears to be a lot of cable very near ground level. First, if it can move, something will move it; where it rubs against anything, the insulation can eventually wear away. Second, if it is as near the ground as it appears, are there any 'critters' free to roam around it? Those 'critters' have a bad habit of 'test tasting' all sorts of stuff and could be part of the problem, even if they chose not to consume any more morsels. Lastly, if this is a shot of the lowered pole, I think a splice is the best immediate fix, but you may also want to consider more protection from wind as well as 'critters'. :o Keeping it from moving and from being a temptation to two (or more) footed animals!

BTW, that looks like pretty remote territory! But good access to all the weather! [tup] :D
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: Blicj11 on October 21, 2015, 06:41:59 AM
I used outdoor-rated Cat-6 cable and just used the wires I needed. Checked with Davis first and they said this would work fine. Whatever cable was exposed I ran through plastic conduit and sealed the ends of the conduit as best I could. I think the outdoor rated Cat cables beat the heck out of the Davis stuff for weatherproofing and endurance.
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: Randall75 on October 21, 2015, 08:27:21 PM
Hi Hanta Yo
 I use to install all kinds of wiring from TV cable coaxial cable Cat 5 and 6 and learned from some of the best
And learned that you should never wrap it round anything kept it flat and straight and secure it every 12" wrapping it around can cause magnetic impulses which can cause bad signal running through the wiring


Just some advice


cheers


 [cheers1]
Title: Gorilla tape? (Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?)
Post by: elagache on October 22, 2015, 12:05:00 AM
Dear Jeff, X-Air, Randall, and WeatherCat station caregivers,

Open to any ideas of securing the splice box to the mast.  The splice box is about 1" x 4" round cylinder if memory serves me.

I've used tie wraps (cable ties) for that sort of duty and it works fine.  You might try gorilla tape.  That stuff is plenty tough and it won't move.  When I've closed a splice box I usually put a bead of silicone sealant, but that might be overkill.

I use to install all kinds of wiring from TV cable coaxial cable Cat 5 and 6 and learned from some of the best
And learned that you should never wrap it round anything kept it flat and straight and secure it every 12" wrapping it around can cause magnetic impulses which can cause bad signal running through the wiring

I know that is what we should be doing.  But I also coiled up the excess anemometer cable on my setup and have never had any trouble.  So long as you don't have the cable disturbed such that it might rub, I don't think we need to worry about that.  Davis must have a beefy enough signal that it can cope with bad wiring storage practices.

Cheers, Edouard
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: xairbusdriver on October 22, 2015, 12:50:15 AM
Actually, it is recommended to have several feet (~5) coiled at most points where the cable exits an interior location for the last area where that cable connects to devices that use it. Unless you strap Cat cable onto high voltage wiring or your microwave(!), the twisted wire structure will protect the signal integrity. OTOH, the 'cable' Davis supplies is not any form of Cat? cable. As far as I can tell, there is no signal protection, it's just untwisted, flat, four wire phone line. Note that I'm not a qualified, much less trained engineer, except the third seat, aircraft type! 8-P
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: HantaYo on October 22, 2015, 04:36:59 AM
Bad move on my part to leave all that wire coiled  [goofy]  I am sure it was flapping in the wind; thus the abrasions.  I guess I was always dreaming I could raise the mast into the stratosphere.  Alas, 24 ft is reality.  And the wire length was likely close to the limitations of the cable conductivity. 

I will stay with the RJ-15 wire.  It is amazing, but the wire seems very weather resistance especially at 8,400'; some of it has been outside for 11 years.  I am thinking it is an exterior quality.  However, the twist ties broke like straw when I removed the mast.  Too much high altitude UV.  I believe some more PVC conduit is in order especially for the splice box (more for protection from by 1 year old and 5 month old puppies who like chewing on anything).
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: Bull Winkus on October 22, 2015, 07:33:01 AM
Yep. When sun exposure is a factor, only Ty-Rap that will do is Ultraviolet Resistant Black Nylon. (http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Betts-TY526MX-CABLE-30LB/dp/B001DEHV36/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1445494756&sr=8-3&keywords=ty+wraps)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31YZyo1BkYL._SX466_.jpg)

A little expensive at $19.90, but light and roomy at 6x6x4. PVC Junction Box (http://www.amazon.com/Cantex-Industries-5133710U-6x6x4-Junction/dp/B000VS4BBU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1445495365&sr=8-3&keywords=pvc+conduit+box)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/319403AF1EL.jpg)
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: Blicj11 on October 22, 2015, 07:37:37 AM
Herb, I knew if someone was posting at this time it was you. You and I seem to maintain the same sleep patterns, which is weird as we are a time zone apart. Anyway, I always enjoy reading your posts. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: xairbusdriver on October 22, 2015, 04:53:03 PM
Since you are already using WeatherCat, perhaps you could use another "Kat" product to protect those zip ties from UV: <BeautyKat Sunscreen (http://www.beautykat.com/Category-Sunscreen/c1_13/index.html)>
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: Bull Winkus on October 22, 2015, 06:51:48 PM
Thanks Blick! The feeling is mutual, too.

For some reason, I never want to give up the day. I don't know how many, but I'm sure there are too few left. Of course, after midnight I'm burning up the next day's allotted time, but for some reason at 2 AM that doesn't seem to matter much.  [rolleyes2]

Morning always brings new challenges. Make the coffee. Feed the cat. Check the stock market. Get breakfast and take the pills. Then I'll try and find something to fix or at least improve. Better to better things as I leave my wake on time's surface.

Hummm? must be philosophical Thursday morning? Lol

We are supposed to get some much needed rain for the next 3 days, then a pause and then more rain on Tuesday.

I plan on enjoying it.

 [cheers1]
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: Bull Winkus on October 22, 2015, 07:18:16 PM
Since you are already using WeatherCat, perhaps you could use another "Kat" product to protect those zip ties from UV: <BeautyKat Sunscreen (http://www.beautykat.com/Category-Sunscreen/c1_13/index.html)>

Well now, I hadn't thought of that. Perhaps as part of an annual maintenance update? ? Rub, rub, ? rub, rub.

I believe in using cream. It makes coffee more nourishing, banana splits more attractive, and mashed potatoes perfectly delicious!

And I'm told, by Dr. John R. Lee, that this little cream will make old people grow strong bones, calm women down, old men shrink prostates, sleep better, and get their testosterone back to normal in a natural way so they can grow muscles again. (No joke. Look him up.) Seems to be working with the prostate, even though I've only been using it for 7 weeks. The bones thing takes more than 6 months. But, I AM more energetic, too. Stayed with that pick and shovel trench digging operation, that was more than 30 feet long, for 3 days. Took me 3 days to recover, too! Lol

 [cheers1]

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/718e41S%2BkOL._SX522_.jpg)
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: xairbusdriver on October 22, 2015, 08:12:57 PM
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30 feet long, for 3 days
...10 feet a day ...1 foot an hour (10 hour work day) ... Next time, rent a backhoe! 3 hours to go get it, 1 hour to unload it, 1 hour to figure out how to use it, 1 hour to dig the trench, 3 hours to take it back! And you'll still have 1 hour of extra sleep! [lol2]
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u666/xAirbusDriver/Redneck%20Shovel_zpsnxcblhar.jpeg)
You do have a dump truck, right?
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: Bull Winkus on October 22, 2015, 08:32:07 PM
Oh, I'd do that just to play with the backhoe. I'd have so many holes in the backyard, you'd think it was a war zone!  [biggrin]

It was gravel most of the way (hard packed limestone gravel), and I had to dig up the old 4" thin wall and drop in some 4" schedule 40 PVC. The previous owner, for some reason, had buried one end of the pipe really good, but kept digging shallower as he got to the other end. About 10 feet of the run was showing above ground. It was blue, and it was ugly. Now, it don't show at all, but if it did it would be white ? and ugly.

 [lol2]
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: HantaYo on October 23, 2015, 02:37:42 AM
Since you are already using WeatherCat, perhaps you could use another "Kat" product to protect those zip ties from UV: <BeautyKat Sunscreen (http://www.beautykat.com/Category-Sunscreen/c1_13/index.html)>

Hmm, sunscreen.  Is it just applied once?  [sun2]


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Yep. When sun exposure is a factor, only Ty-Rap that will do is Ultraviolet Resistant Black Nylon.



A little expensive at $19.90, but light and roomy at 6x6x4. PVC Junction Box

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Herb

Ties are expensive in general, so weather resistant ones would be well worth it.  The junction box I could actually mount to the mast, nice and safe from the dogs  [bounce]

Thanks for the ideas!  I'll have to think a long time on the sunscreen idea though.  Might be a good idea on New Year Eve  [cheers1]
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: Blicj11 on October 23, 2015, 05:02:30 AM
Thanks for the ideas!  I'll have to think a long time on the sunscreen idea though.  Might be a good idea on New Year Eve  [cheers1]

A lot of stuff sounds better on New Years Eve!  :)
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: HantaYo on October 26, 2015, 12:33:23 AM
Hi everyone,

The wind speed on my VP Vantage Pro is not reporting.  Davis recommended removing/putting back the wind cups as well as checking the cabling.  Took down the mast and to my surprise found numerous instances of the plastic cable conduit being compromised.  In places you can see metal (not copper but silver color).  I am wondering if the Davis RJ-15 cable is shielded?  Likely a moot point; the cable needs replaced.

Thanks!

Picked up the 100 Scotchlok connectors, and did a quick splice (one reason it is nice to leave extra wire at both ends- in my case LOTS of wire on the mast and about 1' at the weather station)

AND

"Houston, Columbia is landing with all systems reporting"  [rock] 

I have both wind speed and direction.

Ran out of daylight so put the spliced wires in a plastic bag.  Still not sure about what conduit to use near for the base.  The wire from the station goes through 1/2" buried PVC pipe.  The PVC pipe stops about 18" from the mast.   Bought an circular outdoor electrical box that I could wire to the mast (not sure wire from station is long enough for the box to be on the mast- it might have to go on the ground) as a secondary holder for the Davis coupler cylinder.   Looking around the yard I still have about 6' of 1/2" PVC pipe, lots of 1/2" flexible water irrigation pipe, and lots of 1/2" flexible irrigation soaker hose.  Looked at flexible metal electrical conduit at the hardware store but it leaves a jagged edge at the cut.

This will have the wait till next weekend   [sleep]  At least the anemometer is 100% [tup]
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: Blicj11 on October 26, 2015, 04:44:24 AM
Nice to have the hardware back in functioning mode, isn't it? Nice work.
Title: Glad you are back in business!! (Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?)
Post by: elagache on October 26, 2015, 07:49:40 PM
Dear Jeff, Blick, and WeatherCat caregivers,

Glad to hear you have repaired your anemometer and it wasn't either expensive or a real pain to do.  Davis stations are tough but the don't last forever, so we all need to keep an eye on our instruments.

Cheers, Edouard
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: HantaYo on November 08, 2015, 07:23:45 PM
Finished the wire conduit work:

Conduit box for wire splice:

(https://www.mu-43.com/media/43738/full)

Base of mast:

(https://www.mu-43.com/media/43739/full)

Pipe along mast:

(https://www.mu-43.com/media/43740/full)

Wood wedge between mast and steel pipe.  I am not sure this is a good idea.  It reinforces the mast to the steel pipe at about 6' high.  Any thoughts on this?  Just not sure on this.

(https://www.mu-43.com/media/43741/full)

Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: xairbusdriver on November 08, 2015, 07:44:05 PM
Hard to tell from the images... is that 'regulation' bailing wire at the top of the short post? :o Depending on the capabilities of the local critters, it might be better to use some "U" bolts in that area, as you did at the bottom. I assume that short pipe is actually in the concrete holding the tall pole/mast upright. :-\

Not sure what the weather will do to the "wood wedge". Rain might cause it to swell, even with "U" bolts, it may deteriorate from it's exposure even if it's "marine-grade" particle board. :(

Only possible additional step I would suggest is to fill the hole in the upper 90? PVC joint with some kind of silicon sealant to (1) prevent wasps/spiders/etc. from using the tube for 'home building' and (2) prevent the wind from moving that section of cable on the edge of the PVC. [tup]

Only other comment is about all those large rocks in your yard. I really think you may damage your mower if not very careful... maybe just paint them Da-Glo orange? [tup]
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: HantaYo on November 08, 2015, 08:41:59 PM
Hard to tell from the images... is that 'regulation' bailing wire at the top of the short post? :o Depending on the capabilities of the local critters, it might be better to use some "U" bolts in that area, as you did at the bottom. I assume that short pipe is actually in the concrete holding the tall pole/mast upright. :-\

Not sure what the weather will do to the "wood wedge". Rain might cause it to swell, even with "U" bolts, it may deteriorate from it's exposure even if it's "marine-grade" particle board. :(

Good ole bailing wire.  Growing up on a ranch, it is kinda like duct tape to a lot of red necks  [lol2]  Just looking around the yard and garage scraps the exterior particle board fit nicely.  If I go with a wood wedge, I'll cut up some redwood.  But you make a good point about swelling wood.  The gap between pipes is about 14/16".  I was hoping 1" PVC would fit but it just slightly too large.  I have to be carefully that I do not un-plumb the mast.  I'll look around for more "U" bolts pipe mounts.

 Yes, the short, steel pipe holding the mast is set in a whole lot of concrete.

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Only possible additional step I would suggest is to fill the hole in the upper 90? PVC joint with some kind of silicon sealant to (1) prevent wasps/spiders/etc. from using the tube for 'home building' and (2) prevent the wind from moving that section of cable on the edge of the PVC. [tup]

I was thinking along those lines.  I was thinking of using Good Stuff to fill the 1/2" gap- not sure silicon would work for a large gap.  It will have to wait for another warm day though.  Looks like it takes 8 hrs to cure and it will be well below freezing tonight.

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Only other comment is about all those large rocks in your yard. I really think you may damage your mower if not very careful... maybe just paint them Da-Glo orange? [tup]

Those aren't rocks - just pebbles.  These are rocks  [roll]

(https://www.mu-43.com/media/43744/full)

(https://www.mu-43.com/media/43743/full)

Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: xairbusdriver on November 08, 2015, 09:01:10 PM
Duct tape has almost replaced bailin' war. But duct tape won't hold up a draggin' tailpipe or seal a hole in the muffler, assuming you actually have one... [lol]

I think "Good Stuff" would probably be better, I just wish they made it in much smaller cans. I usually need a table spoon of it somewhere every two years, but once it starts coming out, anything still in that long tube  dries out and you're stuck (no pun intended, of course) with 90% of the contents forever unavailable! [banghead]

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The gap between pipes is about 14/16".  I was hoping 1" PVC would fit but it just slightly too large.
Even if you filed away a 1/16" on opposite sides of that 1" PVC, the warm (hot?!) part of the year could cause the pipe to become flattened a bit and eventually just fall out. I'd suggest buying a couple of pounds of Walnuts. Sort though those and I'll bet you can find an exact fit. Those things are harder than any rocks on your place and not even a squirrel can chew through one! It will last longer than the pipes!! [rockon] Might paint it red so you can find it next time you lower the mast and you forget to catch the nut!! [biggrin]

One of those rocks looks like a petrified log! I hope the handle resting on it is (was!) not to one of your better axes!! :o
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: HantaYo on November 10, 2015, 02:06:24 AM
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I think "Good Stuff" would probably be better, I just wish they made it in much smaller cans. I usually need a table spoon of it somewhere every two years, but once it starts coming out, anything still in that long tube  dries out and you're stuck (no pun intended, of course) with 90% of the contents forever unavailable! [banghead]

I would even pay more for a smaller can just not to waste so much.   Working on insulating the garage and will be using it there but it will be too cold for outside use.  Gotta get that garage done last July.

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I'd suggest buying a couple of pounds of Walnuts. Sort though those and I'll bet you can find an exact fit. Those things are harder than any rocks on your place and not even a squirrel can chew through one! It will last longer than the pipes!! [rockon] Might paint it red so you can find it next time you lower the mast and you forget to catch the nut!! [biggrin]

Even better than walnuts, ROCKS  [lol]

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One of those rocks looks like a petrified log! I hope the handle resting on it is (was!) not to one of your better axes!! :o

It is what they call a mattock.  My go to tool working the rocky soil around the yard.  As well as the iron bar you can just barely see in front of the wheel barrow.  It is similar to a Pulaski wild-land firefighters use.  Unfortunately not a piece of petrified wood.  Just some rocks I dug up in the yard.  They make great landscaping rocks but a little on the heavy side.  They keep my chiropractor, physical therapist and back doctor gainfully employed.  Should of listened to my wife and  not used my back as a skid loader  [banghead]
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: Blicj11 on November 10, 2015, 05:20:18 AM
On my first go, I did not seal my pipe with silicone. Water drizzled into the pipe over several winters, eventually accumulated enough to freeze and break the wire. So don't do what I did. Be smarter than that.
Title: Okay I have up - what "good stuff" ?!?!?? (Was: Davis RJ-15 wire)
Post by: elagache on November 10, 2015, 10:09:07 PM
Dear X-Air, Jeff, and WeatherCat tinkers,

I think "Good Stuff" would probably be better, I just wish they made it in much smaller cans. I usually need a table spoon of it somewhere every two years, but once it starts coming out, anything still in that long tube  dries out and you're stuck (no pun intended, of course) with 90% of the contents forever unavailable! [banghead]

Okay, I give up . . . what is this stuff?

Do you mean Great stuff sealant?

http://greatstuff.dow.com/products/ (http://greatstuff.dow.com/products/)

Curious minds want to know!

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Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: xairbusdriver on November 10, 2015, 10:53:32 PM
"Good Stuff" is the cheaper brand of "Great Stuff"; it's just not as... uhmn... good. [banghead] Similar to Windows and Mac...  [lol]
Title: Re: Davis RJ-15 wire insulated?
Post by: HantaYo on November 11, 2015, 03:03:08 AM
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"Good Stuff" is the cheaper brand of "Great Stuff"; it's just not as... uhmn... good. [banghead] Similar to Windows and Mac...  [lol]


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On my first go, I did not seal my pipe with silicone. Water drizzled into the pipe over several winters, eventually accumulated enough to freeze and break the wire. So don't do what I did. Be smarter than that.

My pipe is facing West, where resides the very Wicked Winds of the West.  I am sure the pipe could be blown shut by snow in one or two snow storms.  Well the high Saturday will be 49F so maybe that will be a Good, err Great, Stuff kind of day.