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General Category => General Computing/Macintosh => Topic started by: awilltx on October 01, 2015, 11:51:39 AM
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Just wondering about issues (you know what I mean), etc.
Alan
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Waiting for user experiences, too.
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Cheers,
Reinhard
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WeatherCat has been running on El Capitan since this morning, nine hours ago now. I haven't noticed any issues. However, I did receive an email an hour ago saying 'WeatherCat watchdog: WeatherCat appears to have hung; rebooting as a precautionary measure.' All appears to be well now.
ALAN.
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I upgraded to El Capitan this morning and had the same font issue with a subsequent crash noted in the following thread and the attached files:
http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=1838.0
Restarted a couple times with the same problem (nothing but standard Apple fonts on the computer). Finally logged out and back in as a new user, downloaded a fresh copy of WC and it initialized with no problems.
So now when I have some time to fiddle with things, I guess I'll eradicate every WC file, restart yet again and start over. Then add back in the important archive data files and see when/if the initialization process stalls.
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I spoke too soon. When I got up this morning, WeatherCat had crashed in the early hours, and hadn't re-started. This is the first time this has happened since I started using WC in early July. Usually, the program re-starts itself.
No idea what caused the crash. Is there anyway I can find out in case there is a problem?
ALAN.
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Hi Alan
check your console for crash reports or other WC Reports
cheers
[cheers1]
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Sounds like this topic needs to be moved to the Bugs forum?
I have a sandboxed partition on an external drive that I might play around with upgrading, but maybe I will wait and see.
Alan
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Another crash and failed re-start at 12:59 today.
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Was exchanging e-mails a little while ago with an online friend from another forum and he was telling me he had no problems on a new Mac mini which was delivered with Yosemite and subsequently upgraded to El Capitan. I'm wondering if those of us with issues are running WeatherCat on older machines which have gone through several upgrade years without a clean install? Maybe some residual code from years past is causing these crashes during the initialization process?
Hopefully Stu is monitoring the El Capitan threads and we'll hear something from him rather soon. Silence is not comforting.
This weekend, I'm going to wipe my old Mac mini drive and do a clean El Capitan install. If that doesn't work, I'll wind the clock back to the last Yosemite backup before the El Capitan upgrade.
PITA, hazards of being an early adopter I guess. Odd though that WeatherCat is absolutely the only problem I've experienced despite upgrading five computers in the house...two minis and three laptops.
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Another crash and failed re-start at 12:59 today.
Hi Alan,
Can you grab the crash report and post it in a new thread in the bugs forum please?
For details of grabbing the crash report, see:
http://wiki.trixology.com/index.php/Console_application
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Was exchanging e-mails a little while ago with an online friend from another forum and he was telling me he had no problems on a new Mac mini which was delivered with Yosemite and subsequently upgraded to El Capitan. I'm wondering if those of us with issues are running WeatherCat on older machines which have gone through several upgrade years without a clean install? Maybe some residual code from years past is causing these crashes during the initialization process?
Hopefully Stu is monitoring the El Capitan threads and we'll hear something from him rather soon. Silence is not comforting.
This weekend, I'm going to wipe my old Mac mini drive and do a clean El Capitan install. If that doesn't work, I'll wind the clock back to the last Yosemite backup before the El Capitan upgrade.
PITA, hazards of being an early adopter I guess. Odd though that WeatherCat is absolutely the only problem I've experienced despite upgrading five computers in the house...two minis and three laptops.
It's possible the OS upgrade has left some old cache or something not updated in the user directory - sadly I am not able to reproduce this issue here so can't debug it - all I can do is send the reports to Apple. You could try removing the ~/Library/Cache directory to check if it is something cached that should have been deleted on the upgrade (have a backup handy just in case).
[Edit: Actually, don't do that - see http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=1852.0]
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I did look in Console, but there is no crash reported since El Capitan was installed. There was some mention of FTP errors and the system being overworked due to too many uploads. I forget what the exact wording was, but I have slowed down the strain on FTP by increasing the time between uploads.
Also, there was some reference to 'team viewer' which I uninstalled some months ago. Maybe there was something still running on my system since I uninstalled teamviewer.
I have since re-booted the machine to see if that solves the problem.
ALAN.
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I had a strange occurrence last night. WC re-booted just before midnight as a precaution because it thought it had hung. When WC was running again, all my custom gauge windows were open, as was the banner generation window. As a result, none of the gauges were being created, therefore not appearing on my website.
No major problem, but I hadn't seen this before. All is now well.
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Check in the console log around that time - there may be a message/messages logged from WeatherCat (Applications->Utilities->Console.app).
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Is there anybody out here who can report positive experiences with upgrading to El Capitan?
Or shall I be the first one... ::)
:-\
Reinhard
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I think I may have sussed my problem. Both times WC has stopped running, there have been dozens of references to a Teamviewer service trying to start. I deleted this application months ago, but there were still some stray com files in my library.
I have now deleted all these stray files, over 100 in total, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the problem is solved.
Apart from that, El Capitan seems ok to me, though I haven't noticed much difference. I've not needed to use any of the new features yet, but the new system font does seem much cleaner and crisp.
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Is there anybody out here who can report positive experiences with upgrading to El Capitan?
Or shall I be the first one... ::)
:-\
Reinhard
I am trying in a sandbox partition right now. So far so good, even with existing account. However, just to be on the safe side, I followed the recommendation here before launching WeatherCat:
http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=1838.msg16562#msg16562
and deleted the .GlobalPreferences NSFont in terminal and rebooted the machine.
Only been running for 30 minutes so far, but I will report back if any problems.
Alan
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In the meantime I am doing a backup with SuperDuper! from my now used system. After it I will risk an attempt.
Will report back.
Reinhard
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In the meantime I am doing a backup with SuperDuper! from my now used system. After it I will risk an attempt.
Will report back.
Reinhard
Reinhard,
Glad to see another SuperDuper! user on here. You should set up a sandbox partition to play around with upgrades. However, one thing not mentioned in the user guide is that to get an OS upgrade install to work on the sandbox, you have to have the entire drive partitioned as GUID (under options in Disk Utility) on an Intel-based Mac.
If all goes well and I let things bake for a while and am happy, I will upgrade my regular system to 10.11.
Alan
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The tension increases...
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Success, indeed.
? Backup (in my case SuperDuper!)
? Download ElCapitan
? (After Download, before Installing, took the Installer of EC onto an external drive to not download it again for my other Macs)
? Enjoy or frustrate - very long 17 minutes to wait
? After automatic restart I did another restart >Apple menu >Restart
Success.
The whole install procedure dues lots of more than an hour - so be patient. :)
Let it run now,
will report back tomorrow...
Cheers,
Reinhard
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Seems to be I am the lucky one...
After an hour all ok.
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I've been up for 5.5 hours now with no crashes on 10.11. I plan to let this run for as long as possible to see if there are any issues.
Alan
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I upgraded to El Capitan on my laptop. this morning. Haven't had any problems. Tested a couple of vital apps fearful they wouldn't work, but both are doing fine. One was VMFusion 7. Fortunately, it continues to operate in El Capitan. VMWare had required paid upgrades to their software in new Mac OS. Have not upgraded my weather server. Others on the forum are expressing problems running WeatherCat in El Capitan.
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After running WC on 10.11 for 13 hours there are no problems to report - lucky me!
Cheeers,
Reinhard
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My advise is always to wait for at least the .1 update - as we've seen (http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=1838.15) there will be OS bugs in a first release which will affect stability. Then there's the issue of driver compatibility as well...
At the very least, if you want to run on a .0 release, have the 'Monitor & Relaunch WeatherCat' ticked in its Misc 1 preferences.
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Well upgraded my main computer tonight and the one thing that doesn't work is the serial to USB adapter. Reading on this it appears that SIP disables the adapter. I have turned it off on my laptop, secondary machine, but have to down load Weather Cat to test it. Sort of frustrating as the weather station is working fine, but is serial for communication. I'll see how it goes.
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That didn't work. Looks like the Serial to USB is broken by El Capitan. I have just ordered a new weather station with native USB data that is supported by Weather Cat, Oregon WMR200A along with a UV sensor. The old Le Crosse was getting a bit long in the tooth anyway and I had already replaced the wind unit once. I'll see how it all goes.
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Just a small update: Running more than 24 hours now with El Capitan and WeatherCat on my dedicated Weather Mac mini (Mid 2011). No issues to report. Upgraded my other two Macs to 10.11 without problems (MacBook Air Early 2014 and iMac 24'' Early 2009). The Captain is behaving well, especially the new system font and the clean looking excites me. Sorry for all others that are having troubles with EC in connection with WC.
Cheers,
Reinhard
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Just a small update: Running more than 24 hours now with El Capitan and WeatherCat on my dedicated Weather Mac mini (Mid 2011). No issues to report.
Reinhard,
So you haven't been having a problem with the drivers that others have been mentioning? I'm running the same Mac for my weather server that you are. Haven't upgraded yet to El Capitan. Your upgrade, apparently has been without any problems. Did you have to update the Silcon Labs driver?
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Is there anybody out here who can report positive experiences with upgrading to El Capitan?
Or shall I be the first one... ::)
:-\
Reinhard
I can now report an uptime approaching 48 hours...just in time to try 2.2.2 Build 18. But the El Capitan upgrade wasn't without some colorful-language moments. Thanks to grenow, and the fix he identified to squash the font call problem, it's been rock solid after that. But note from the Station Details area, I use WeatherLink IP so I haven't had to contend with a Serial to USB connection driver issue. Had I been running that sort of a comm arrangement, I certainly would not have migrated to El Capitan for awhile.
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But note from the Station Details area, I use WeatherLink IP so I haven't had to contend with a Serial to USB connection driver issue. Had I been running that sort of a comm arrangement, I certainly would not have migrated to El Capitan for awhile.
Thanks for mentioning this. I use the Davis WeatherLinkIP? data logger as well and I've been waiting for some other brave soul to try the upgrade first. Looks like you may be that guy, mate.
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? (After Download, before Installing, took the Installer of EC onto an external drive to not download it again for my other Macs)
Reinhard, can you remember approximately how large of a file this was?
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Blick, were you just wanting to know the size of the small installer file or the entire El Capitan download?
El Capitan is 6.08GB.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/os-x-el-capitan/id1018109117?mt=12
I also always prepare a bootable thumb drive for multiple installs. This won't apply to you but for any lurkers, Ars Tech posts a step-by-step reminder before every major upgrade:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/09/how-to-make-your-own-bootable-os-x-10-11-el-capitan-usb-install-drive/
And I saw Dan Frakes posted a similar article on Macworld:
http://www.macworld.com/article/2981585/operating-systems/how-to-make-a-bootable-os-x-10-11-el-capitan-installer-drive.html
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Just a small update: Running more than 24 hours now with El Capitan and WeatherCat on my dedicated Weather Mac mini (Mid 2011). No issues to report.
Reinhard,
So you haven't been having a problem with the drivers that others have been mentioning? I'm running the same Mac for my weather server that you are. Haven't upgraded yet to El Capitan. Your upgrade, apparently has been without any problems. Did you have to update the Silcon Labs driver?
No problems with existing SiLab driver, no need to download it on my side. I have installed this one (see screenshot).
Reinhard, can you remember approximately how large of a file this was?
As Felix mentions, it is about 6 GB. After downloading it I copied it on a network hard disk and from here into the programs folder of the Mac I want to upgrade.
Cheers,
Reinhard
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Dear Felix, Blick, Reinhard, and WeatherCat sys-admins, . . .
I also always prepare a bootable thumb drive for multiple installs. This won't apply to you but for any lurkers, Ars Tech posts a step-by-step reminder before every major upgrade:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/09/how-to-make-your-own-bootable-os-x-10-11-el-capitan-usb-install-drive/
And I saw Dan Frakes posted a similar article on Macworld:
http://www.macworld.com/article/2981585/operating-systems/how-to-make-a-bootable-os-x-10-11-el-capitan-installer-drive.html
Thanks for posting this. As usual I'm going to quietly wait until the dust settles before making any attempt. However, I do appreciate knowing how to make an installer thumb-drive.
Cheers, Edouard
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Testing the Cat 2.21b110 on back up machine, using weather link IP. Up for 24 hrs and all is OK. Won't change main machine over till new usb driver comes out. I hear that is a big issue with 10.11, also will wait for 10.11.1.
Wildwood
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That didn't work. Looks like the Serial to USB is broken by El Capitan. I have just ordered a new weather station with native USB data that is supported by Weather Cat, Oregon WMR200A along with a UV sensor. The old Le Crosse was getting a bit long in the tooth anyway and I had already replaced the wind unit once. I'll see how it all goes.
Got the WMR200 installed, worked almost straight away. I did get a reply from the Keyspan serial to USB adapter people and they said they don't have drivers for El Capitan and they didn't give any indication of if any would be available. Perhaps native USB connection is the way to go. Some manufactures might be left behind, although the Windows experience may be different.
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Spent the day upgrading to El Capitan. Everything smooth as could be with WeatherCat. I did lose Hot Corners in OS X. Spent two hours on the phone with AppleCare. They are stumped. Some backroom engineers are going to call me back Monday. Also could not connect with my Logitech Solar-powered Wireless Keyboard for Mac. Called Logitech. They had me download and install a new Logitech Control Center for Apple's Preference Panes. Back in action. Sometimes I love technology. Sometimes I don't.
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I have been running El Capitan server for a couple of months now. The mysql people fixed the autostart and so far no problems. I do have the server set to reboot every Sunday morning a 0300hrs CST. I do not remember what brand USB to serial dongle I have, but it uses an FTDI chip and apparently El Capitan has a driver for it that works just fine. Still using the old La Crosse under WeatherCat Version 2.22 Build 31 (2.2.2).
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Does anyone know if WeatherCat Version 1.23 Build 16 (1.2.3) will work with El Capitan? I am currently on Yosemite 10.10.5 running WeatherCat 1.23 with no problems.
Thanks,
Denver
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Does anyone know if WeatherCat Version 1.23 Build 16 (1.2.3) will work with El Capitan? I am currently on Yosemite 10.10.5 running WeatherCat 1.23 with no problems.
Thanks,
Denver
I was using it originally and no trouble. I just upgraded for the gauges.
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That's great! Thank you. Just what I needed to hear...
[cheers1]
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Wait! Apple have REAL NASTY bug in 10.11 which means WeatherCat will eventually die. You'll need version 2.2.2 build 31 (or later) if running on 10.11, which works around the problem.
[Edit: Removed some tech. info (NDA etc)]
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Well I am in no hurry to install El Capitan anyways...
Do you have any technical information on the bug?
Denver
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Denver, he may, but the NDA probably covers that and possibly related matters. Like you, I'm patiently waiting for 11.2. I could probably run it on this machine, but I don't want to run it on the WC dedicated mini. [banghead] If it doesn't fix the problem with WC, I may go ahead with upgrading this iMac, however, I will still wait a few weeks to see if it introduces other bugs! As some philosopher programmer once said;
"Every program has at least one bug.
Every program can be reduced in size by at least one line.
Therefore, every program can be reduced to a single line - which is a bug."
Just a note of clarification: The "bug" is in the El Capitan , not WC!
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If you're running WeatherCat 2.2.2 build 31 (or a later version) then you're fine - it includes a work-around for this bug, earlier versions do not and will have the problems indicated in the following thread:
http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=1858.0 (http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=1858.0)
TLDR; anyone running on 10.11 needs to be running WeatherCat V2.2.2 build 31 or later.