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Title: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: elagache on July 24, 2015, 12:45:23 AM
Dear WeatherCat "temperance supporters, . . . "  ;)

Another year has gone by and once again those darn "Juvenile Delinquents" have turned to "drinking" once more:

(https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-7Mr34d7/0/L/Young%20deer%20drinking%20in%20birdbath%20-L.jpg) (https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-7Mr34d7/A)

This little creature has been spotted in the yard for a while but there are new dogs in the neighborhood so it is much more watchful (thus hard to photograph) :

(https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-vTB2t52/0/L/Vigilant%20young%20deer%20at%20birdbath%20-L.jpg) (https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-vTB2t52/A)

(https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-3PWZtRp/0/L/Young%20deer%20at%20birdbath%20-L.jpg) (https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-3PWZtRp/A)

Alas, this is hardly a funny tale in truth.  The creeks are finally just about dry in their lowest spots and the wild animals have no other sources of water but human kindness.  If you look carefully, this animal is clearly malnourished as well.  Animals reproduce even in drought years, but this young animal will have a real struggle to reach its first birthday.

Edouard
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: Felix on July 24, 2015, 09:59:44 AM
Saw two just like that one around my shed yesterday morning, Edouard. They were mowing off the tops of the wildflowers I have planted along the property line.    >:(

I know conservationists caution against feeding wildlife but it would be mighty tempting to buy some bags of bulk acorns to keep little guys like that from starving. But to tell you the truth, that one doesn't look much different than the two I saw and mine have plenty to eat... a 1/2 acre of my wildflowers and plenty of green grass in the yard. After the wettest June and July in many years, there's no shortage of deer foliage along the eastern seaboard.
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: xairbusdriver on July 24, 2015, 10:20:12 PM
Quote from: Felix
I know conservationists caution against feeding wildlife
But that's exactly what you did when you planted those flowers! [lol] From what I hear (from neighbors!) is that any type of flowers will do! I live in the middle of a quarter mile long, east-west, dead-end street. 100+ acres of golf course on the south. 140+ acres of mostly un-mown field with a couple of large ponds on the north. The east end of that acreage has ~15 acres of woods.

It's not rare to see 6 to 12 deer at the eastern entrance at dusk (probably at dawn, also, but I don't want to get up to see!). They seldom venture too far west because of all the houses/dogs/people. However, those living near the east end of the street complain about these critters eating just about any plant they find in the yard! [banghead]
Title: Can't beat'em . . . (Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015)
Post by: elagache on July 24, 2015, 11:38:50 PM
Dear Felix, X-Air, and WeatherCat frustrated property owners, . . .

Saw two just like that one around my shed yesterday morning, Edouard. They were mowing off the tops of the wildflowers I have planted along the property line.    >:(

Basically we have fenced in a small part of our yard were we grow things like tomatoes and flowers.  The rest belongs to the deer and other critters.  After decades, we have learned which plants aren't "deerlicious" and that's all we have on the bulk of the property.

I know conservationists caution against feeding wildlife but it would be mighty tempting to buy some bags of bulk acorns to keep little guys like that from starving. But to tell you the truth, that one doesn't look much different than the two I saw and mine have plenty to eat... a 1/2 acre of my wildflowers and plenty of green grass in the yard. After the wettest June and July in many years, there's no shortage of deer foliage along the eastern seaboard.

Well, this critter will have to fend for itself.  The water is for the birds and I'll keep it full for the deer, but there are limits to what I'm willing to do.  They may think they own the place, but they don't pay the property taxes!

It's not rare to see 6 to 12 deer at the eastern entrance at dusk (probably at dawn, also, but I don't want to get up to see!). They seldom venture too far west because of all the houses/dogs/people. However, those living near the east end of the street complain about these critters eating just about any plant they find in the yard! [banghead]

Deer certainly have adjusted to living with people.  It is definitely at the point were they need some serious discouragement!

Cheers, Edouard
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: xairbusdriver on July 25, 2015, 02:10:29 PM
"Nature" seems to be encroaching ever closer to the house! Eating breakfast this morning I see a the neighborhood cat climbing up the tall Crepe Myrtle just outside the window. In a few seconds it had disappeared into the very thick foliage in the upper limbs. Next thing I know, I see it coming down with a small bundle of feathers in its mouth. Survival of the fittest... or, at least, the best climbers!

My mistake was mentioning the event to my ex-Daughter-in-Law (long story!). She was overcome with pity, sadness, and alarm. While trying to calm her down she saw the cat making a return trip to the 'fresh produce department'. She rushed out the door making all kinds of noise and saved any remaining siblings... at least until the cat out waits her! [rolleyes2]
Title: What is wild - stays wild. (Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015)
Post by: elagache on July 25, 2015, 11:04:10 PM
Dear X-Air and WeatherCat dwellers in the suburban "wilderness."

"Nature" seems to be encroaching ever closer to the house! Eating breakfast this morning I see a the neighborhood cat climbing up the tall Crepe Myrtle just outside the window. In a few seconds it had disappeared into the very thick foliage in the upper limbs. Next thing I know, I see it coming down with a small bundle of feathers in its mouth. Survival of the fittest... or, at least, the best climbers!

My mistake was mentioning the event to my ex-Daughter-in-Law (long story!). She was overcome with pity, sadness, and alarm. While trying to calm her down she saw the cat making a return trip to the 'fresh produce department'. She rushed out the door making all kinds of noise and saved any remaining siblings... at least until the cat out waits her! [rolleyes2]

Unfortunately, too many people cannot resist treating wild animals like humans.  All this seems especially odd considering many human beings have lost the interest it seems to treat other human beings as they would like to be treated!

Where I do get a bit upset are the people who insist on bringing a cat into the neighborhood and then seem to feel it is perfectly natural to turn it lose on the wild creatures of the area.  Hawks, native felines, coyotes, etc., that's part of the ecosystem.  Pets that get a fed and nonetheless "amuse" themselves by killing wildlife - that I don't find amusing.

Edouard
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: xairbusdriver on July 26, 2015, 12:04:54 AM
 [lol]I have no idea whose cat this may be; no collar, of course. It runs away from people and seems to 'live' in the storm drains. Still, it looks well fed, probably plenty of dog food bowls around! There are leash laws, but it seems to be applied only to dogs, although there are cats at the city pound...

Our cat has never been outside unless in a carrier going to the vet once a year. She is the epitome of a "scardy cat"! If she hears anyone in the driveway, she's under a bed before they get to the door!
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: Felix on July 26, 2015, 12:34:41 PM
<snip>But that's exactly what you did when you planted those flowers! <snip>

Conservationists typically maintain that encouraging existing native wildlife plant growth is the most practical and cost-effective method of enhancing wildlife habitat.

In my case, I'm not intentionally growing a wildlife food plot, I just happen to like the sea of wildflowers I have 'cultivated' for years along my property line. I will admit though, I enjoy the birds, pollinators, rabbits, occasional wild turkey and you name it that the wildflowers (and the seeds they produce) attract. But the influx of deer are a rather new in the area, in the last 15 years or so the population has gone from an occasional sighting to being absolute pests. I've switched to more deer-resistant varieties over time but it's impossible to get rid of perennial Black-Eyed Susan flowers (Rudbeckia hirta) once established without spraying Roundup over the entire area and starting over. Unfortunately deer absolutely love Black-Eyed Susans and will do about anything to get at them, including trampling over everything else. The webcam on my detached gardening shed picks them up every night, and anymore even in the broad daylight, especially the youngsters. So I suppose you're right, Driver, my wildflowers are in a small way a contributor to Virginia's deer population explosion.
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: xairbusdriver on July 26, 2015, 02:19:19 PM
Quote
my wildflowers are in a small way a contributor to Virginia's deer population explosion
But very small and localized. Deer populations are literally exploding all over the country. Apparently, the elimination of all predators is the biggest factor. Expanding city limits further reduce hunting, even while reducing a lot of habitat. Unfortunately, that leaves the deer to suffer from malnutrition, disease, and road kill events. I think your only solution is a razor-wire topped, electrical fenced are. Perhaps with randomly timed or movement activated sensors to activate small dynamite caps.

Don't forget to wear ear protectors while enjoying your garden! [banghead]
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: Blicj11 on July 26, 2015, 04:41:54 PM
Felix:

I have finally found something that deer won't eat: Colorado Blue Spruce trees. They won't touch 'em. This doesn't help you but out here in the west, whitetail mule deer have moved into most of the small towns and have discovered vegetable & flower gardens. It's quite a nuisance problem for the reasons Xair states.  I live in a remote area up in the mountains in the natural habitat of wildlife. We have deer, moose, elk, back bear, fox, wild turkey and all the smaller animals grazing through the mountains around us. We don't have enough water to cultivate a garden of any kind but wildflowers are profuse. Unfortunately, when we go to town, we are driving through deer all the way to Main Street.

I was in a meeting last Saturday with a high ranking official from the state wildlife management agency and he begged people not to feed wildlife. He said that although it looks like you are helping, you are not and it negatively affects the balance of nature.

I have no answers for you, but I sure enjoy nature.
Title: Some plants not "deerlicious" (Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015)
Post by: elagache on July 26, 2015, 10:51:30 PM
Dear Blick, Felix, X-Air, and WeatherCat frustrated homeowners,

I have finally found something that deer won't eat: Colorado Blue Spruce trees. They won't touch 'em.

You have a bit more choice than that.  Euryops (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euryops) are a bushy daisy like flowering plant that deer won't eat.  Oleander (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerium) is another bushy plant that does well in drought and deer won't eat.  California privet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligustrum_ovalifolium) can be either a tree or bush and the deer won't eat that either.

Most trees can be gotten tall enough that even if the deer will eat the leaves the branches soon get out of their reach.

You can have a yard that looks decent and yet, doesn't have the deer munching everything.  There are books with recommendations, but you need to take them with a grain of salt.  In our first house in Orinda, we had deer and Honeysuckle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeysuckle).  Over there, the deer wouldn't touch the Honeysuckle.  My Mom brought cuttings from that plant to our "newer" house just a 1-1/2 mile away and the deer mow the Honeysuckle to near extinction.

Such is life in "deerlicious" country . . .

Cheers, Edouard  [cheers1]
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: LesCimes on July 29, 2015, 10:40:34 PM
Enjoyed reading this thread on deer - one never knows what will show up on a weather forum! Love it. I'd guess that weather watching and nature watching go hand in hand.

By the way, did anyway else read the report about the woman in Yellowstone National Park taking a selfie with a bison right behind her? She was gored.
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: Blicj11 on July 30, 2015, 04:59:37 AM
Some places should be selfie free: The Alamo, The National Mall, Buckingham Palace, standing in front of a moose or a bison, etc.
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: xairbusdriver on July 30, 2015, 02:38:18 PM
Quote
Some places should be selfie free... standing in front of a moose or a bison, etc.
Seems Nature has a way of dealing with the less mentally 'talented'. [rolleyes2]
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: Steve on July 30, 2015, 04:55:42 PM
Some places should be selfie free

All places should be selfie free! Our first visit to Mars will probably be like...

(http://www.morrisgarage.com/skitch/Photos-20150730-115305.jpg)


By the way, I was walking past our dining room window the other day and a young deer was munching on the cone flowers about 5 feet away. We just looked at each other for a couple seconds, and then he meandered away. Night time video shows he likes our green beans and lima beans, too.
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: Blicj11 on July 30, 2015, 07:14:44 PM
Ha ha. Thanks for the laugh. That is a nice selfie.
Title: Chewing too . . (Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015)
Post by: elagache on July 30, 2015, 11:55:53 PM
Dear Michael, Blick, X-Air, Steve, and WeatherCat photo critics . . .

Fortunately, at least we can count on the deer not to take selfies . . . . So that leaves it upon us to get snapshots of the critters.  Here is a yearling buck:

(https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-WD62LNX/0/L/Yearing%20buck%20eating%20sage%20-L.jpg) (https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-WD62LNX/A)

Here you can see da' critter in its "normal state:" . . .

(https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-cJFWqXp/0/L/Yearing%20buck%20eating%20sage%20-L.jpg) (https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-cJFWqXp/A)

Oh, by the way, what this buck is munching on is normally not deerlicious . . . .

Go figure!

Edouard
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: Steve on July 31, 2015, 04:16:01 AM
Are those mule deer you've got out there? All we have here are whitetail deer. And the only other largish critters are the ever more common coyote, the rare black bear, and the even rarer bobcat (both more likely in the south and east portion of Ohio.) Anything else is groundhog sized or smaller.
Title: You had to ask . . . . (Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015)
Post by: elagache on July 31, 2015, 10:01:48 PM
Dear Steve and WeatherCat frustrated property owners, . . . .

Are those mule deer you've got out there?

 ;) . . . . How should I know?  Da' darn critters don't come with identification tags or nuthin' . . . .   ;D

In a situation like this, there is only thing to do, look up mule deer in Wikipedia . . . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule_deer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule_deer)

As soon as I looked - I was ever so sorry I did!

Some of the more disturbing quotes include:

"Mule deer readily adapt to agricultural products and landscape plantings."

It goes on to list the following foods that Mule Deer eat:

Quote
The most common plant species consumed by mule deer are:

    Among trees and shrubs: Artemisia tridentata (big sagebrush), Cercocarpus ledifolius (curlleaf mountain mahogany), Cercocarpus montanus (true mountain mahogany), Cowania mexicana (Mexican cliffrose), Populus tremuloides (quaking aspen), Purshia tridentata (antelope bitterbrush), Quercus gambelii (Gambel oak), and Rhus trilobata (skunkbush sumac).[15]
    Among forbs: Achillea millefolium (western yarrow), Antennaria sp. (pussytoes), Artemisia frigida (fringed sagebrush), Artemisia ludoviciana (Louisiana sagewort), Aster spp., Astragalus sp. (milkvetch), Balsamorhiza sagittata (arrowleaf balsamroot), Cirsium sp. (thistle), Erigeron spp. (fleabane), Geranium sp., Lactuca serriola (prickly lettuce), Lupinus spp. (lupine), Medicago sativa (alfalfa), Penstemon spp., Phlox spp., Polygonum sp. (knotweed/smartweed), Potentilla spp. (cinquefoil), Taraxacum officinale (dandelion), Tragopogon dubius (western salsify), Trifolium sp. (clover), and Vicia americana (American vetch).[15]
    Among grasses and grasslike species: Agropyron, Elymus (wheatgrasses), Elytrigia, Pascopyrum sp. (wheatgrasses), Pseudoroegneria spicatum (bluebunch wheatgrass), Bromus tectorum (cheatgrass), Carex spp. (sedge), Festuca idahoensis (Idaho fescue), Poa fendleriana (muttongrass), Poa pratensis (Kentucky bluegrass), and other Poa spp. (bluegrass).[15]

Mule deer have also been known to eat ricegrass, gramagrass, bromegrass, and needlegrass, as well as antelope brush, bearberry, bitter cherry, bitterbrush, black oak, California buckeye, ceanothus, cedar, cliffrose, cottonwood, creek dogwood, creeping barberry, dogwood, Douglas fir, elderberry, fendlera, goldeneye, holly-leaf buckthrorn, jack pine, knotweed, kohleria, manzanita, mesquite, oak, pine, rabbitbrush, ragweed, redberry, scrub oak, serviceberry (including Pacific serviceberry), Sierra juniper, silktassel, snowberry, stonecrop, sunflower, tesota, thimbleberry, turbinella oak, velvet elder, western chokecherry, wild cherry, and wild oats.[19] Where available, mule deer also eat a variety of wild mushrooms, which are most abundant in late summer and fall in the southern Rocky Mountains; mushrooms provide moisture, protein, phosphorus, and potassium.[14][19]

And you know what's the worst part of it . . . the list is woefully incomplete!!  >:(

All we have here are whitetail deer. And the only other largish critters are the ever more common coyote, the rare black bear, and the even rarer bobcat (both more likely in the south and east portion of Ohio.) Anything else is groundhog sized or smaller.

Alas, the San Francisco Bay Area is rapidly becoming more like Los Angeles with what little open space either being made into parks, or built upon.  So besides deer there is very little in the way of wild animals.  Coyotes are sighted in the neighborhood, but that's about the only other large animal.  There are Mountain lions in parks not to far away, but these are solidarity hunters who are very unlikely to stray into populated areas.

 [wink] . . . . Too bad though, those hairless apes of the quasi-human variety seem seriously overpopulated.  There is a need for a new top predictor to thin the herds and a prolific one at that! . . . .  (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/eek-sign.gif)

 ;) Edouard . . .
Title: Adults getting into the act. (Re: "Drinkin'" - 2015)
Post by: elagache on September 06, 2015, 10:07:41 PM
Dear WeatherCat . .  ;) . .  "supporters of deer temperance" . . . .

 ;) . . . I'm afraid as usually happens, now the adults are getting into "drinkin'" . . . . .

Of course they try to look innocent about it:


(https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-hQ7L6dD/0/L/Doe%20looking%20at%20house%20-L.jpg) (https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-hQ7L6dD/A)

But eventually they give in to da' temptation . . . . .   [biggrin]

(https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-LFbsjpV/0/L/Doe%20drinking%20-L.jpg) (https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-LFbsjpV/A)

Seriously, I've been surprised at how little the deer have been hitting our bird baths this summer.  We are having more frequent heat waves and I have to believe that the only water to be found is thanks to kindness of humans.  Perhaps other neighbors are also putting out water.  Certainly the new aggressive dogs in the neighborhood would be reason for the deer to get water elsewhere if they can find it.

Cheers, Edouard
Title: The royal nap . . . . .(Re: "Drinkin'" - 2015)
Post by: elagache on September 07, 2015, 11:52:24 PM
Dear WeatherCat . .  ;) . .  "supporters of deer temperance" . . . .

I finished up with some work on my trusty wagon, looked out the window and saw . . . this!

(https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-p8DdTb4/0/L/Stag%20next%20to%20bird%20bath-L.jpg) (https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-p8DdTb4/A)

As you can see by the empty dish to the right, our "royal highness" had also gotten into the drink and obviously was a little woozy and so took a nap on the spot!

Here is another view:

(https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-3PKJ3nq/0/L/Stag%20next%20to%20bird%20bath-L.jpg) (https://canebas.smugmug.com/Nature/Wildlife/Deer-in-the-neighborhood-2015/i-3PKJ3nq/A)

No doubt about it, quite a fine collection of venison on the hoof!   By the way our royal stag wasn't simply going bad by "drinkin'" . . .  There was a doe and her fawns in the same part of the yard.  It seems that the rut has started early and this character also had sex on its mind.

Just another day in the "paradise" of California . . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/desert-smiley.gif)

Cheers, Edouard  [cheers1]

Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: WCDev on September 09, 2015, 06:04:38 PM
Great pictures Edouard (as always!)
Title: A little TOO easy . . (Re: "Drinkin'" - 2015)
Post by: elagache on September 09, 2015, 09:54:04 PM
Dear Stu and WeatherCat shutterbugs, . . .

Great pictures Edouard (as always!)

Well, thanks but really the key was having the "model" so close.  Indeed a little TOO close.  I only needed my 135mm telephoto.  More disturbing, last night I rushed out that same back door in order to do some watering and the "royal highness" was once more "napping" no more than 10 feet away!  Fortunately he was more scared than me!

Cheers, Edouard
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: xairbusdriver on September 14, 2015, 10:54:16 PM
On our last day in Seattle, making good use of the Public Library interweb! We spent nearly two weeks in the Canadian Rockies and saw some 'cool' weather! Also saw some interesting four-legged animals, most of which would not be as compliant at Edouard's watering hole! I was fine observing this one fro the bus! ;)
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u666/xAirbusDriver/650fb4b9-44e5-4efc-9311-d5756a5e067e_zpspwgmvxie.jpg)
We did see some not-too-intelligent two legged animals approaching a bull elk! This is rutting season and I suspect the bull would have been just as happy using a boney humanoid as a tree to sharpen his antlers! I guess these people thought they were in some kind of 'zoo' rather than a wild animal sanctuary. :o

Seems the lower Canadian Rockies have had the same lack of precip as has been reported all the way down to LAX. However, they had an early taste of what was coming, with an inch of snow in Banff and several more up in the mountains. They claimed they ran their snow making machines nearly all last Winter. Hopefully some of this humid air will get south of the border soon.
Title: Thanks for da' Bear . . (Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015)
Post by: elagache on September 14, 2015, 11:52:40 PM
Dear X-Air and WeatherCat wild critter observers,

Thanks for the photo of the bear.  Since I graduated from U.C. Berkeley and our team mascot is the California golden bear, bears always have a special place in my heart.  Just one silly thing, I don't there are any California golden bears left in the wild! . . .  :o

Cheers, Edouard
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: Blicj11 on September 29, 2015, 07:40:58 PM
We live in the Wasatch Mountain Range at about 8,300 feet. We are 30 minutes removed from the closest town. I just took this picture through our kitchen window. You can see my irrigation drip line running across the ground there. We are attempting to get about a dozen Blue Spruce trees started. You can see new growth on the end of the branches. It is light blue in colour.
Title: Who owns what? (Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015)
Post by: elagache on September 29, 2015, 10:06:01 PM
Dear Blick and WeatherCat wildlife caregivers,

We live in the Wasatch Mountain Range at about 8,300 feet. We are 30 minutes removed from the closest town. I just took this picture through our kitchen window.

Thanks for the cute picture!  Yup, the deer consider us to be a real nuisance but they put up with us because we put out such a banquet of deerlicious plants.  Right now my worst wildlife pest problem is a family of turkeys. 

You can see my irrigation drip line running across the ground there. We are attempting to get about a dozen Blue Spruce trees started. You can see new growth on the end of the branches. It is light blue in colour.

Best of luck getting those trees going.  We had created 4 Euryops plants from cuttings and I had to transplant them this summer.  The poor things have really struggled in the heat and I almost lost one of them.  Drought is definitely about the worst time to try to get any plant established.

Cheers, Edouard  [cheers1]
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: Bull Winkus on October 01, 2015, 06:55:37 AM
Is she pregnant?
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: Blicj11 on October 01, 2015, 08:58:46 AM
Is she pregnant?

I had the same thought when I first saw her, but I think not. Way too late in the season for that. I think it just looks that way because of how she is laying. However, I didn't get a chance to ask her. She ran off when I opened the door.
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: Bull Winkus on October 11, 2015, 04:38:51 PM
 [biggrin] [biggrin] [biggrin]
 [coffee]
 [biggrin]
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: Beekpr on October 26, 2015, 11:16:11 PM
Man, these are some great wildlife photos! I've lived in Southwestern NH for 30+ years and not seen such a beautiful buck and my homestead lot is 10 wooded acres ?2.5 cleared for house and orchard?surrounded by several thousand acres of more woods (78% of the state is woodland). Our local deer and bear population is very impressive and the deer were eating my fruit trees the 3rd day after planting.

Our fruit trees are now protected by an electrified (and baited) "3-D" fence that causes deer landing anxiety so they do not jump it. Our Veggie garden is amazingly "protected" by a 30" electric mesh fence, again baited. The garden is 48'x70' and the deer do not touch it until the end of the season when we remove the fence to let them forage the leftovers. The key is baiting the fence with apple scent caps and aluminum foil with peanut butter. Bambi smells the bait, comes to the source and gets a serious jolt on the tip of the nose or tongue. They tend to do that just once [rockon]. I do the same with the fence around my apiary but I bait it with bacon for the bears. Same result. Once the critters are trained it's no issue. We routinely loose our bird feeders if we forget to bring them in at night but the bees just quietly buzz away. Keep the bait on for new visitors and offspring.

What may work for most of you is this...Our landscape plants were continually getting haircuts until I finally tried "Liquid Fence" (available Amazon, Lowe's, HD, local nurseries etc). I NEVER thought this would work but it has absolutely stopped the nightly smorgasbord of the plants we really care about. Our Bailey's Viburnum (supposedly deer resistant?HA!) and hostas were getting creamed every night until I finally tried Liquid Fence. Spray it around the perimeter of what you want to protect and the deer left the plants alone this entire season! I sprayed it 3 or 4x between March and early Oct. No munching!  Hopefully works as well for you folks! In the winter we will use Irish Spring bar soap and keep our fingers crossed  :-\

Cheers, John
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: xairbusdriver on October 26, 2015, 11:31:17 PM
Only thing I understand is:
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In the winter we will use Irish Spring bar soap and keep our fingers crossed
We usually use Dial, but we also use deodorant, instead of crossed fingers... So far, no problems, although we do take more baths in the Spring and Summer. In Winter, we only go to town on Saturday, so onest a week is fine! [tup]

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We routinely loose our bird feeders if we forget to bring them in at night but the bees just quietly buzz away.
I know Alaska and Minnesota both claim mosquitos as State Birds, but are NH bees so big that they can carry off bird feeders?! :o
Title: Thanks and drought-proofing (Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015)
Post by: elagache on October 27, 2015, 08:23:56 PM
Dear John, X-Air, and WeatherCat dwellers in nature,

Man, these are some great wildlife photos!

Glad you liked these photos.  There are a number of "WeatherCatters" who are also gifted with a camera.  If you haven't checked out this thread on sky photos around weather instruments you might enjoy it as well:

http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=1842.0;topicseen (http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=1842.0;topicseen)

If you can feel free to contribute your own photos of your weather instruments.

What may work for most of you is this...Our landscape plants were continually getting haircuts until I finally tried "Liquid Fence" (available Amazon, Lowe's, HD, local nurseries etc).

Thanks for the suggestion but since we have been living with deer for essentially all my life, we have simply changed our landscaping to things that aren't "deerlicious."  At the same time, we have already changed to more drought resistant plants.  Anyone who lived through the California drought of 1976-77 has an altered view about everything and saves water automatically.  That's why I'm extremely bitter about the way California is handling the current drought.  The same governor who was in charge in 1976-77 is asking for the same sacrifices when the state has done almost nothing to prepare for this drought.  At the same time, those of us who never stopped saving water are really being asked to reduce consumption to the point that lots of plants in our already "low water use" yard would die.  On the other hand, people who never made any effort to save water in the first place aren't expected to save any more than those who have been saving water all along.  It is really a program that punishes the old-timers who have led the way on water savings.

Oh well, . . . . Edouard
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: Beekpr on October 27, 2015, 10:27:27 PM
Hey, Edouard!
I hear you about the unfair actions the state is requiring. My folks live in San Jose. For years, my Dad has had a small container garden and a couple of raised beds in which he has grown a couple of tomato plants, some sweet potatoes, cukes, lettuce etc. It is something he has loved doing because it was fun for him, gave us even more to talk about and share plus put a small amount of food on the table. This year he gave it all up because the had to conserve more water than they had already been doing for years. I doubt he uses 3 bathtubs full of water all season. Meanwhile, we see celebrities watering their huge lawns. Doesn't seem fair, does it?

I'll check out the weather photos. Thanks for the link! Any place I can check out that wagon of yours?

Cheers,

John
Title: Drought and wagon woes. (Was: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015)
Post by: elagache on October 28, 2015, 10:25:15 PM
Dear John and WeatherCat fans,

I hear you about the unfair actions the state is requiring. My folks live in San Jose. For years, my Dad has had a small container garden and a couple of raised beds in which he has grown a couple of tomato plants, some sweet potatoes, cukes, lettuce etc. It is something he has loved doing because it was fun for him, gave us even more to talk about and share plus put a small amount of food on the table. This year he gave it all up because the had to conserve more water than they had already been doing for years. I doubt he uses 3 bathtubs full of water all season. Meanwhile, we see celebrities watering their huge lawns. Doesn't seem fair, does it?

Yes indeed, people are being asked to do unreasonable things while the population of California continues to swell.  Clearly politicians are more interested in adding new voters than caring about the old-timers who built the state.

Any place I can check out that wagon of yours?

Well, I never did get around to creating a website with the car's long history in our family.  There is an abbreviated version of the story at the start of this thread on a forum devoted to classic Buicks:

http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?250765-The-grand-adventures-of-a-trusty-quot-billy-goat-quot-Wagon! (http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?250765-The-grand-adventures-of-a-trusty-quot-billy-goat-quot-Wagon!)

However, it became a very long thread about all the woes the wagon has had since 2011.  I'm still trying to get the custom engine I had built for it working after it lost a bearing after 3 months of operation.  For a quick gloss of the car's woes since then, there is a thread on this forum that is a faster read.

http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=392.0 (http://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=392.0)

There are some definitely positive developments and I'm hoping to have my wagon back to normal soon - stay tuned!

Cheers, Edouard
Title: Re: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015
Post by: Beekpr on November 01, 2015, 01:52:48 PM
Very nice story about your wagon, Edouard! Good luck with the bearing and I hope that billy goat wagon is yours forever.

Cheers,

John
Title: Always something! (Was: "Drinkin'" Juvenile Delinquents - 2015)
Post by: elagache on November 01, 2015, 11:06:41 PM
Dear John and WeatherCat classic car fans,

Very nice story about your wagon, Edouard! Good luck with the bearing

 ;) . . .  . The bearing?  That's Sooo August 2015! . . . .  [biggrin]

Right now it is the distributor which, by the way, was working in August 2015!! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/scratch_head.gif)

There is always - something - with a classic car . . .  (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/D'oh.gif)

and I hope that billy goat wagon is yours forever.

That's definitely da' plan - man!  [bounce]

Cheers, Edouard  [cheers1]