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The camera arrived 6/4/15, 100' of Ethernet Cat6 cable, and the PoE 12V injector the day before. Spent Friday pouring over the plans of our 17 year old house (we'd installed a double run of coax back then, never thought about Ethernet [banghead] ). I had realized that I could use the closet ceiling in the computer room for access to the attic. Then, at the bottom of the closet, it was only a few inches to an outlet to plug in the power injector!
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u666/xAirbusDriver/Ethernet_power_zpsknvxyezc.jpg)(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u666/xAirbusDriver/Ethernet_Closet_Ceiling_zpsdiksumgx.jpg)
Once into the attic, I managed to come down into the garage and then out to the location on the facia. Since most sloped roofs have extremely tight spaces along the eaves, I knew I couldn't get to the overhang, as it is, I still had less than 10 inches above the hole into the garage ceiling and the roff rafters. Since I was coming upwards from inside the garage, all I had to do was avoid drilling into the roof! This also made it easier to determine how far down from the ceiling to drill to the outside without hitting the brick!
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u666/xAirbusDriver/Ethernet_Outside_zps0t44zctf.jpg)(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u666/xAirbusDriver/Ethernet_Garage_zpsuvn0i8y2.jpg)
The rest of the wiring shots were obscured by the sweat of my brow! [sweat2] Friday turned out to be the hottest day of the year! Worse yet, the main exhaust fan is caput! [banghead] Fortunately, last night we had a brief shower that cooled down the roof a bit. This morning, I could hardly tell it was a bit warmer in the attic than in the upstairs... at least for the first hour. :P Still, it proved interesting and difficult to find the passage from one part of the (north-south, garage area) attic to the main, east-west part. The rather low upper attic is crammed full of heat and A/C ductwork! There was nothing but crawling height where I had to operate, and only several pieces of plywood I had to move around to keep from walking on the rafters. One slip and I would have a ceiling to repair! [blush] I decided to call on the wife to pull the cable down to the lower part of the attic while I made sure there were no kinks in the upper part.
Last job will be to mount and connect the camera and then to decide how to run the cable to the mini. I now have the mini connected to the Apple Extreme via Ethernet. I'm hoping I can connect to the injector into another port in the Extreme. If I do that, I'll need another ~6' cable. If the camera won't work that way, I can just use the ~20' cable and go directly to the mini. In that case, however, I'll have to switch back to WiFi on the mini. Hopefully will get this done Monday! Sunday is a day of rest!! We only have a morning service at our church!
I've learned that any more attic wiring jobs will be done only in Winter, hopefully on a day with snow on the roof! Down my way, insulation is placed on and between ceiling rafters, not on the roof rafters. This makes for some very warm attics and good insulation on any exposed water lines. The only advantage is speed of installation and using blown-in material rather than precut rolls; those are usually more expensive and slower to install, and they need some means of fastening to both walls and roof rafters (with appropriate gaps for air circulation. Speedier means cheaper, of course. [rolleyes2]
I also learned to use a mask to avoid 17 years of dust and the loose fiberglass that is always going to be kicked up. Those things are an added heat source, but it saves coughing up the stuff, later. [tup]
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I enjoyed your report and photos and concur with your observation of the Sabbath. Let's hope the dang camera works after all this!
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I'm a little nervous about a couple of warnings/suggestions in the sometimes inscrutable "instructions".
- "Thunder-proof device is recommended to adopted better prevent thunder."
"Actually, both my wife and I enjoy hearing thunder... - We assume no liability or responsibility for all the fires or electrical shock caused by improper handling or installation.
Not even a few of the fires?!. - Installation:
- "Step 2: Dig a hole according to position of hole on installation sticker."
- "Step 3: Open accessories bag, take out expansion bolt and insert into the hole you just dug."
I'm seriously thinking about using a drill, slightly smaller than the wood the screws included in the "accessories bag" to at least start a hole in the wood fascia board. All my shovels are way too large to attempt to dig a hole, even for starting the screws. OTOH, I may have to search for some of the very small Chinese shovels... [computer]
Oh yeah, there is an included mini CD! :o Full of useless Mac software, no doubt. ;D Just a reminder, never, ever, put a mini CD/DVD into an Apple optical drive!! >:( Fortunately, I have an external, tray drive that I can use, in case there actually is something on that CD. [rolleyes2]
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Well, that's progress! Where there's progress there's hope for a post production celebration ritual!
Hopefully, that's the last of the attic explorations. You finished just in time. July is bearing down on Memphis like a runaway brush fire!
Great photo work! You really do keep your cool in hot situations. [lol]
Can't wait to see the 1st production run.
[cheers1]
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Can't wait to see the 1st production run
I'm still in contract talks with a couple of major distributers, as soon as those get worked out I'll let you know. Most of the time these distributers want at least two weeks in the major cities (like Little Rock, Springdale, Hope, and Fort Smith) before offering their videos to other outlets (Hardy, Ash Flat, Evening Shade, and Oil Trough). I think I can argue that Trixology is certainly a major site, however. [tup]
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Make sure you include video of "digging your hole" and subsequently "inserting your bolt." That should swing the negotiations in your favour.
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Dear X-Air, Blick, Herb, and WeatherCat Do-It-Yourselfers . . .
Best of luck with this project X-Air! I'm still hopelessly backlogged on trusty wagon projects, but I hope to upgrade my webcam once the biggest item on my plate is shifted over to Orinda Motors. So I'm mostly just lurking on this thread but I will return to it when the time comes.
Cheers, Edouard
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Looks like I still need about a 30' cable from the PoE injector to either the Extreme or the mini. There is a (mostly) PC store in town and a very well stocked electronics store in Memphis (with 6+ branches in three surrounding states). I used to buy stuff there when I was playing with the TTL Cookbook by Don Lancaster (http://www.tinaja.com)! Remember him? The book is still available from several places!!
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Hope you tested the camera first to be sure it works before laying all this cable. :-)
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[lol] [lol] [lol] [lol] [lol] That's funny!
Anticipation builds.
(http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/attachments/lounge/114176d1427742737-decal-cats-eating-popcorn.jpg)
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Had to take some time off to 'mow d'lawn' as the French say. All I can say is that was the most successful event of the day.
I've tried EvoCam, the Mac version of an app from the company that sold me the camera, Network Device Finder which finds... network... well, you get the picture, even if I don't. My digital voltmeter says I have just over the required 12 volts but on a much shorter, indoor cable (my mowing must have turned the heat devils loose!). The injector is capable of 12 watts and the tech guy says the camera should not need more than 6. I will check the voltage at the outside terminus as early as possible tomorrow.
BTW, we have a <company (http://www.3dglassesonline.com/company)> that makes much nicer 3-D classes just a few miles away. I might be able to get you guys some good deals!!! They probably make them for dogs, also...
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Two great laughs!
Herb for the jpeg of the day and X-Air for the best French phrase I have heard in years.
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I've tried EvoCam, the Mac version of an app from the company that sold me the camera, Network Device Finder which finds... network... well, you get the picture, even if I don't.
I take it there's still no webcam output...except in our mind's eye?
Don't remember what webcam brand you decided on but I do recall the LesCimes observation which has nipped me in the backside on more than one occasion. "I'd suggest that you will be happier with a reputable cam in the long run, though more expensive up front. At least that is the way I often end up buying, i.e. buying up. My wife has gotten use to it."
But it might be a PoE injector problem since you've got a 100+ foot ethernet run. I had to replace one of mine this past winter...it wouldn't supply enough power when the temps got down below 0?F.
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Still waiting?
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[bounce]
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Right now, a brand new 50' cable with only a 15' run from the injector. The other end of the 50 footer is directly in the mini. I'm getting 12.41 v to the camera. But none of several IP scanners can see anything but what it can see via WiFi.
Connected to the Airport Extreme with a brand new 6' cable and can now also see all the iDevices. Still no sign of the camera. Unfortunately, I don't have any other Ethernet devices to plug into the Extreme. I may 'borrow' my wife's MBP and change her network connection to Ethernet... yep, that works. It shows up with a new IP address.
I'm going to swap connections at the Extreme to test each of them. Already know the WAN port works as that's where we get the WWW. I now know the one that I just used for the MBP works... Etreme ports are all fine.
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Dear Felix, Herb, X-Air, and WeatherCat do-it-yourselfers . . . .
;) . . . . . Remember, nothing is a ever a complete failure. It can always be used as a - negative - example!! . . . . [lol2]
Yup, definitely file this one under:
With friends like this, you don't need any enemies!! [biggrin]
Cheers, Edouard [cheers1]
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Which I could offer up some insight, but I've never dealt with PoE.
Troubleshooting is mostly a process of elimination, as you no doubt already know. Perhaps a trip to the loo will give you some insight?
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Perhaps a trip to the loo will give you some insight?
I'll have to wait my turn!
Ethernet is about as simple as it gets, as long as you don't have to actually build the RJ-45 connections! :) I now know all the cables are good, the ports on the Extreme work, and the injector should have more than enough power, the key word being "should". I got side tracked this morning before I could check the 100' cable for voltage at the outside end. Tomorrow may be busy also, but I need to get that measured. Things are a little hectic with my out-of-town, not too healthy, in-laws right now...
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After a week+ of emails and frustrating confusions (mostly on my part), I think I have finally figured out how to return the inop camera. Various web site design considerations contributed to my confusion. I suspect my lack of analytical and reading skills added to the problem. After all, it's impossible to make something idiot-proof!
I actually have an RMA based on my very first attempt, it was approved within 24 hours. However, following the link to 'print out the RMA form' (I assume a mailing label or just a snail mail address), one reaches a page explaining that one must create an account. Did that. Welcome email received. Logged in, went to 'Warranty/Returns' page and eventually see the exact page I filled out before; just a request for an RMA.
"OK, if that's the way they want t, I'll do it all again." Of course, I expected to then be see either the RMA label or the shipping instructions. Nope. Just sends another request message to them. Several more emails, last one asking if I'd used the "Product Returns" link. Well, no, I don't recall even seeing that label on any link, but I log into my account and find it.
Now in my 'account', I can see that I have no orders, therefore, even in human 'logic', I can't possible request an RMA! I quit for the day. However, I did not close the tab, I just surfed to other things via bookmarks which opened new tabs. Hours later, I started closing tabs and came across the Request page again. However, I have now been logged OUT (Session expired). I now see two different buttons/links; one is for 'people with accounts', the other is for 'guest purchasers'. This is actually only half the story, however.
At the very beginning of this journey, one must select from two choices: A. Warranty Repair or Replacement or B. 'No longer want this product/product didn't work for me.' (actually two rather long sentences with either/or meanings) I created the problem by choosing 'repair/replace' rather than 'broken/didn't work'. My "reasoning" was that the particular hardware was DOA and simply needed replacing. By making that choice, I never got to see the 'registered member' or 'guest' links for two reasons:
1. They only appear when one wants a complete refund.
AND
2. One has not logged into your account, since the account was never used in the first place!
Problems caused by me:
I ordered as a "Guest"
I chose 'repair/replace' instead of 'return' (BTW, there is no "Refund" option)
I registered after starting the RMA request action.
Problems caused by the company:
Not enough 'idiot-proof' studies.
This is mostly a UX design problem: The site developer knows what he (and the client) wants, so he already understand exactly how to navigate his site. I am honestly very happy with the fellow I've been emailing. He has been extremely patient and helpful. He simply has probably never used the site in the manner I did. It's been a humbling and educational experience.
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Dear X-Air and WeatherCat troubleshooters,
After a week+ of emails and frustrating confusions (mostly on my part), I think I have finally figured out how to return the inop camera.
Sorry it came down to that. I hope you can find another camera that is easier to use and fits into the original installation scheme.
Edouard
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That's my main criteria for a PoE camera. Choices are mainly from EvoCam's list. ;)
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What a bummer story! Sorry to hear about that. I guess we all have had similar experiences. Ordering via the Internet has its caveats.
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I'm supposed to get a printable RMA label this afternoon. Had another tech from the company checking if I'd been helped by the other guy. Can't complain about the company, really. The real problem is my not understanding the difference between "repair/replace" and "didn't work" combined with not being able to see a "guest" link early in the process. Once I became a "registered" customer, the fact that there were no orders made things even worse. [banghead]
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Got the RMA label at 4:56 PM. Handed the box to the Mail Pak clerk at 5:21 PM. "Box is in the 'mail'"! Expect to her the "check is in the mail" within 30 days...
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Company refunded all my dollars thru Amazon. However I need to do some research about power, voltage, etc. While my injector was getting 12.41 V to the end of the 100' cable, the salesman suggested I needed to use a 48 V injector to power the 12 V camera. My injector is rated at 1 amp which should equal 12 watts. I was told the camera needed no more than 6 watts! 48 V doesn't make sense to me. Nor is there any reference to anything other than 12 V in its specs.
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Dear X-Air and WeatherCat tinkerers,
Company refunded all my dollars thru Amazon. However I need to do some research about power, voltage, etc. While my injector was getting 12.41 V to the end of the 100' cable, the salesman suggested I needed to use a 48 V injector to power the 12 V camera. My injector is rated at 1 amp which should equal 12 watts. I was told the camera needed no more than 6 watts! 48 V doesn't make sense to me. Nor is there any reference to anything other than 12 V in its specs.
Huh? (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/scratch_head.gif) . . . That's just plain wrong. (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/nope.gif)
Resistance doesn't lower the voltage that much, it lowers the current received on the far end. One of the reasons I'm dashing about in this forum is that I'm working very hard on a headlight upgrade on my wagon and I had to figure out how much current was needed to feed 6 55 watt H1 automobile bulbs. I used this table to help me:
http://www.amplepower.com/primer/gauge/ (http://www.amplepower.com/primer/gauge/)
It provides the minimum wire gauges needed to have no more than 3% voltage drop at the load. You should be able to find something equivalent to determine what the voltage drop at the end of a 100 foot power over Ethernet run. If it is more than a few percent, perhaps indeed their could be a problem, but I would expect perhaps a slightly higher voltage like 14 volts - not 48 volts. That's enough voltage to fry the camera and perhaps start a fire! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/devil.gif)
Sorry, not much help but still, 48 volts is way overboard! :o
Edouard
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Don't know if this will clear things up, because I'm not sure what you are doing and PoE is not my forte. But, I hope it helps! - Herb
The original IEEE 802.3af-2003[2] PoE standard provides up to 15.4 W of DC power (minimum 44 V DC and 350 mA[3][4]) to each device.[5] Only 12.95 W is assured to be available at the powered device as some power dissipates in the cable.[6]
The updated IEEE 802.3at-2009[7] PoE standard also known as PoE+ or PoE plus, provides up to 25.5 W of power.[8] The 2009 standard prohibits a powered device from using all four pairs for power.[9] Some vendors have announced products that claim to be compatible with the 802.3at standard and offer up to 51 W of power over a single cable by utilizing all four pairs in the Category 5 cable.[10]
Both of these amendments have since been incorporated into the IEEE 802.3-2012 publication.[11]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_over_Ethernet
[tup]
But wait! There's more?
http://www.veracityglobal.com/resources/articles-and-white-papers/poe-explained-part-1.aspx
[runoff]
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Dear X-Air, Herb, and WeatherCat tinkerers, . . . .
Hmm, this definitely throws a new twist into this plot . . . . .
the salesman suggested I needed to use a 48 V injector to power the 12 V camera. My injector is rated at 1 amp which should equal 12 watts. I was told the camera needed no more than 6 watts! 48 V doesn't make sense to me. Nor is there any reference to anything other than 12 V in its specs.
The original IEEE 802.3af-2003[2] PoE standard provides up to 15.4 W of DC power (minimum 44 V DC and 350 mA[3][4]) to each device.[5] Only 12.95 W is assured to be available at the powered device as some power dissipates in the cable.[6]
We have to take seriously the IEEE standard, therefore any camera that is actually designed for PoE should be expecting a minimum of 44 volts DC and perhaps 48 volts is typical. If so, then the camera that was sold to X-Air is not really designed for PoE installation.
I was confused before, but this is as clear as . . . mud! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/scratch_head.gif)
Edouard
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Standard voltages listed for 'normal' Ethernet PoE switches and/or mid-span injectors are 12, 24, and 48volts.
Link to the camera: <http://www.nellyssecurity.com/eyesurv-esip-apex3-bt1-3mp-ip-ir-outdoor-bullet-security-camera.html#product-tabs (http://www.nellyssecurity.com/eyesurv-esip-apex3-bt1-3mp-ip-ir-outdoor-bullet-security-camera.html#product-tabs)>
Note that I had over a dozen emails from/to the tech and I described the injector more than once, almost from the beginning. As well as the length of cable being used. Details like what voltage is needed by any device is not something that should be left to assumptions, in my humble opinion.
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@ " That's enough voltage to fry the camera and perhaps start a fire!"
PoE 802.3at requires a handshake before applying power. Not to worry, a quality PoE injector will negotiate the correct voltage requirement with the powered device.
PoE injectors are pretty cool pieces of hardware. AC line power is first converted to high voltage DC by a diode bridge. Then the DC power is switched on and off by a transistor controlled by a power supply controller IC. The chopped DC is fed into a flyback transformer which converts it into low voltage AC. Finally, this AC is converted back into DC again and filtered to obtain smooth power free of interference. Lastly, power is output through the RJ45-type jack. A feedback circuit measures the output voltage and sends a signal to the controller IC, which adjusts the switching frequency to obtain the correct voltage needed by the powered device.
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Thanks Felix, haven't had time to finish reading the white papers Bull linked to. That AC part certainly explains the lack of voltage drop in the 100' cable! Didn't know about that (among several hundred other things). I knew about the 'hand-shake/communications' part, but I still don't understand why the 'tech' thought I needed a higher voltage unless there is info not published about that camera. Multi-camera setups, using a multi-port switch, could certainly benefit from the higher capacity output, but he even stated/agreed, early on, that any kind of multi-port switch would be over-kill for one camera. Of course, having more ports might make it possible to sell more cameras... ;)
My 97 year old F-i-L passed away last Tuesday evening and I've been pretty busy since then. He would have loved to hear about PoE. He went to Chicago when electricity was first coming to our rural Arkansas area. He was a very sharp fellow and would have made an outstanding electrical Engineer, if he'd ever had the opportunity to get more education. But that was almost as hard as getting people to accept this "new-fangled 'lectricity" when they didn't see any point in it! After all, no one had refrigerators (ice box, anyone?), and certainly no TV (battery powered radios were just fine and you could charge up the battery as long as you could crank up the old truck!). "Wiring a house" back then usually meant running a line to a light bulb holder hanging in the middle of one room! Free chain switch, included! The really well of might ask for the "two room special"! :) It didn't take long until everyone thought it was so simple they could do it themselves. He soon grew tired of fixing other peoples mistakes and gave up this burgeoning technology. But he was still sharp as a tack, even in his 70's; he could tell the bank clerk the payout at the end of a CD/Bond with just the interest rate and the purchase price, faster than the clerk could with the calculator!
I only wish everyone could have such a man in their life.
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Dear X-Air, Felix, and WeatherCat tinkerers,
Standard voltages listed for 'normal' Ethernet PoE switches and/or mid-span injectors are 12, 24, and 48volts.
Okay, if that's what the manufacturer wants . . . can't argue with that. Puzzling though that they would do something that is outside the official standards. My concern is that Ethernet may not be able to provide enough current at such a low voltage given how long you are trying to run this cable.
Note that I had over a dozen emails from/to the tech and I described the injector more than once, almost from the beginning. As well as the length of cable being used. Details like what voltage is needed by any device is not something that should be left to assumptions, in my humble opinion.
Okay, you did your homework and tried to get the best advice you could get. I suppose the most likely assumption is that you got a lemon camera and the next one will work properly. I'll be glad to hear when you finally up and running on this camera!
PoE injectors are pretty cool pieces of hardware. AC line power is first converted to high voltage DC by a diode bridge. Then the DC power is switched on and off by a transistor controlled by a power supply controller IC. The chopped DC is fed into a flyback transformer which converts it into low voltage AC. Finally, this AC is converted back into DC again and filtered to obtain smooth power free of interference. Lastly, power is output through the RJ45-type jack. A feedback circuit measures the output voltage and sends a signal to the controller IC, which adjusts the switching frequency to obtain the correct voltage needed by the powered device.
;) . . . . . In the voice of Silvester the cat:
S-s-s-s-simple . . . . isn't it! . . . . [lol2]
Cheers, Edouard [cheers1]
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The key to maintaining the voltage is actually using AC instead of DC. Essentially, AC electrons don't have to travel all the way around the circuit, they just move back and forth a fraction of the distance. In other words, they "see" only the resistance in a small part of the wire/circuit. DC loses a lot of energy (voltage) since it "sees" the total resistance. Do understand this is a super, non-scientific, geralization usually preferred for training pilots! The main thing we had to know was: Push the stick and houses get bigger, pull the stick and houses get smaller. K.I.S.S.
I must also note the tech said the camera came up fine on their machines and he set the IP address, in case that was part of the problem. I chose door #2, a refund. ;)
BTW, 48 volts is just a convenient multiple. According to the IEEE standards, the actual voltage can vary between 44 to as much as 57. It's up to the using device to handle that range. I also confirmed that the Foscam 9805E will operate with as little as 5 volts and uses the older 802.3af standard. The L-Comm tech confirmed that the injector is the newer 802.3at version, but, like most 'standards', it is backwards compatible with af equipment. Hoping for a better experience around the end of the week! Also highly recommend the 'white paper' links in Bull's post. Quite good info in not too technical terms. ;) [tup]
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Dear X-Air and WeatherCat tinkerers,
Also highly recommend the 'white paper' links in Bull's post. Quite good info in not too technical terms. ;) [tup]
Sorry if some of my posts are off the beam, but I'm desperately struggling on other fronts and just cannot devote as much time to the WeatherCat forum as I used to. This headlight upgrade for my trusty wagon has become something of a monumental undertaking. I just finished building this housing for the electrical components. It started out as a computer generated template glued to aluminum sheet metal:
(http://canebas.smugmug.com/Biquette/Drive-Train-makeover/Biquette-headlight-upgrade/i-2r69vDX/0/L/Fuse%2C%20power%20block%20and%20relays%20on%20lower%20level%20-L.jpg) (http://canebas.smugmug.com/Biquette/Drive-Train-makeover/Biquette-headlight-upgrade/i-2r69vDX/A)
That I managed to bend and rivet into this really nice looking aluminum housing:
(http://canebas.smugmug.com/Biquette/Drive-Train-makeover/Biquette-headlight-upgrade/i-KkvtLsJ/0/L/Assembled%20housing%20-%20starboard%20front%20top%20-L.jpg) (http://canebas.smugmug.com/Biquette/Drive-Train-makeover/Biquette-headlight-upgrade/i-KkvtLsJ/A)
Amazingly the electrical components actually do bolt on to the housing:
(http://canebas.smugmug.com/Biquette/Drive-Train-makeover/Biquette-headlight-upgrade/i-cB9ft8R/0/L/Component%20housing%20-%20top%20front%20-L.jpg) (http://canebas.smugmug.com/Biquette/Drive-Train-makeover/Biquette-headlight-upgrade/i-cB9ft8R/A)
Better still, the whole thing actually does fit inside the engine bay:
(http://canebas.smugmug.com/Biquette/Drive-Train-makeover/Biquette-headlight-upgrade/i-XSFMxr6/0/L/Component%20housing%20clearance%20with%20tank%20-L.jpg) (http://canebas.smugmug.com/Biquette/Drive-Train-makeover/Biquette-headlight-upgrade/i-XSFMxr6/A)
Even better still, the housing rides up inside the space between in the inner and outer fender, so that as little precious space inside the engine bay is lost:
(http://canebas.smugmug.com/Biquette/Drive-Train-makeover/Biquette-headlight-upgrade/i-BQShKrX/0/L/Component%20housing%20under%20fender%20-L.jpg) (http://canebas.smugmug.com/Biquette/Drive-Train-makeover/Biquette-headlight-upgrade/i-BQShKrX/A)
If you compare this last photo with the third photo in this posting, you'll realize how much of the component housing is above the fuse block, liberating the space below should something else have to be squeezed into my wagon's very crowded engine bay.
Next up wiring, and of course, a whole new slew problems . . . . [banghead]
So this is definitely the long way to apologize, but I'm running at full-throttle and I'll be hit or miss on this forum until finally the engine for my wagon returns and I have to stop working like it or not.
Cheers, Edouard [cheers1]
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I know what you mean about trying to keep a presence on the forum - so many other things demanding attention. Appreciate all that you do manage to post and to keep the forum lively and engaging.
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The part I don't understand is how an owner of a station wagon can complain about not having enough space! [lol2]
BTW, I think I saw a box just like that on Amazon... $2.95, In Stock! Of course, you'd need to be a Prime member to get free shipping... it really pays to shop around, Edouard. [computer] :P
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Dear X-Air and WeatherCat automotive enthusiasts,
The part I don't understand is how an owner of a station wagon can complain about not having enough space! [lol2]
Does this answer your question!
(http://canebas.smugmug.com/Biquette/Drive-Train-makeover/Header-to-steering-column-clea/i-TRcs8LV/0/L/IMG_3301-L.jpg) (http://canebas.smugmug.com/Biquette/Drive-Train-makeover/Header-to-steering-column-clea/i-TRcs8LV/A)
There is so little space in Biquette's engine bay now that she has a big-block engine in it, that the standard steering column linkage wouldn't fit! I had decided on an aftermarket steering column because of the transmission upgrade, but it turned out to be a very good idea!!
BTW, I think I saw a box just like that on Amazon... $2.95, In Stock! Of course, you'd need to be a Prime member to get free shipping... it really pays to shop around, Edouard. [computer] :P
[wink] Oh yeah! I dare you to provide a link to that item! [biggrin]
Cheers, Edouard [cheers1]
P.S. It is a long story, but the family is an Amazon Prime member. Good thing too, I just received a ratcheting crimper that I didn't know I needed until Saturday! :o
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Here's your <link (http://mailscamalert.com/misc/shade-tree-stuff.html)>! Read it and weep! :P
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Here's your <link (http://mailscamalert.com/misc/shade-tree-stuff.html)>! Read it and weep! :P
Too much free time on your hands, xairbusdriver. [lol2]
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Too much free time...
You noticed?! I'm waiting on the camera delivery, tomorrow. [twiddle_thumbs] Although I've got some small 'honey-do' items I've worked off the list. I need to start converting to Mr. van der Kuil's latest version of his Leuven-Template, but... "Never put off till tomorrow what you can put off till next week!" :P ::)
I just used some of the CSS from my mailscamalert site and 'borrowed' some of Edouard's images. One should be very careful what one posts on the www! You never know what might happen to it! :o [rockon] [computer] I'm basically looking for anything I can do to stay inside! [sweat2]
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Dear X-Air, Felix, and WeatherCat "getting something done" types!
Too much free time on your hands, xairbusdriver. [lol2]
That might qualify for the understatement of the year! [lol2]
I spent an hour this morning at NAPA auto parts trying to get all the electrical connectors needed for this headlight relay upgrade and still couldn't find some way to disconnect the 8 gauge power feed wire. So this afternoon in desperation I ordered a second MANL inline fuse holder. It has screw connectors to secure the wires on each side. I already have one with a 30 Amp fuse to protect the main power feed has it goes from the passenger side of the car to the driver's side. So make sure that I don't get a rogue fuse blowing in a place I cannot reach, I bought some 40 Amp fuses. The fuse holder on the passenger side is 30 Amps - so I shouldn't get any surprises.
All this so I that I could get some way to quickly disconnect an 8 gauge wire . . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/D'oh.gif)
Remembering those immortal words of Silvester the cat:
S-s-s-s-simple . . . . isn't it! :o
Cheers, Edouard [cheers1]
P.S. The good news is that Amazon carried these items in stock and with Amazon Prime, I should have all the connectors needed to wire up the housing by Friday.
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30... 40(!) amps? Are these for headlights or marine search lights?! Maybe an arc welder for repairs on some lonely road...
Personally, I always recommend Molex brand connectors. I think their <MAX-LOC (http://www.molex.com/woodhead/products/family?key=maxloc_plus&channel=products&chanName=family&pageTitle=Introduction&utm_source=ds&utm_medium=lit&utm_campaign=industrial-elec)> system is ideal for your needs.
Shade-tree, "What size fuses do I need?"
NAPA clerk, "Well, the maximum current flow, with a dead short shouldn't be more than 75 amps, but you can fit a 100 amp fuse in there, so I'd recommend an adaptor so you can put a pair of 150 amp fuses in there. And they come with one of those Eee lectrik far 'stinquishers, fer free!"
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Shade-tree, "What size fuses do I need?"
NAPA clerk, "Well, the maximum current flow, with a dead short shouldn't be more than 75 amps, but you can fit a 100 amp fuse in there, so I'd recommend an adaptor so you can put a pair of 150 amp fuses in there. And they come with one of those Eee lectrik far 'stinquishers, fer free!"
Driver, I about spilled my coffee on the keyboard when I read your latest quip. [tup]
I gotta admit, I look forward to clicking on the WeatherCat forum every morning to see what witty comment(s) you've posted since my last visit.
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And you accuse me of having too much free time?! Pardon me, I gotta call Mr. Pot... :-X ;D
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Camera arrived. Works fine with the included power supply. Does not work with PoE only. Language barrier for the US branch of the company in Houston, TX? Obviously, the 'support' people are not in the US. [lol] Bottom line, they think I need a higher powered injector, which they just happen to have in stock (56V/30W). [rolleyes2] Anyone need a 12V/12W model? I can make you a great deal! [cheer]
I have an extension cord that should be able to reach the power-IN plug on the camera from an outlet in the garage, but I don't want to mount it until I know I have a PoE injector that will work with it. Just because I can reach the camera doesn't mean it will still work at the other end... I'll also need a double-ended, female adaptor to connect the 100 footer to the 20 footer to get to the router, so that's another reason to delay mounting the camera outside.
At least the video is sharp and the there are color/saturation/contrast/brightness/hue/sharpness controls. I have just discovered that the automatic IR function works; the camera is sitting on my desk, pointing inside, the Sun went behind some dark clouds and the camera switched to the IR view from the color mode. [tup] It also has audio IN/OUT, but I'm not in the mood to run any more cables in the 115?F+ attic! [sweat2]
Another arrival today was supposed to be another replacement CC! I decided to check my CC account Monday and I could not log in. Seems that is a problem 50% of the time. Long story, short: The first week of last May I get a call fro 'cardmember services' asking me to call. Seems they noticed a know fraudster phone number trying to use my CC number. They shut it down immediately. Monday, after an hour on the phone, speaking with four different agents, I finally figured out that the web log in was due to an attempt back on June 8! Yep, two weeks ago! [banghead] All they did was lock my access! No phone call. No email. No killing the card. Nothing!! ??? If I had not tried to log in Monday, it could have been months... years(?) before anything was done! :o To top it off, they wanted me to wait 10 days for the new card or pay $25 to get it by today! I kindly suggested that I could save the money and not wait by taking my business elsewhere. However, the fifth agent 'discovered' that she could send in by UPS for free. Such a deal. Just glad the phone has a volume limiter built in... Moral: If you pay off your CC bill every month, you are not a good customer; they really need that interest stuff! I'm soooo concerned about their viability, I may just send them some cash.
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It also has audio IN/OUT, but I'm not in the mood to run any more cables in the 115?F+ attic!
One of my cameras has audio and and a built-in mic. I have it mounted to observe the front porch. I thought I might use it to listen in on front porch conversations. Turns out in reality I have never actually used the feature except to impress the grand children.
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Dear X-Air, Blick, and WeatherCat electricians, . . . .
30... 40(!) amps? Are these for headlights or marine search lights?! Maybe an arc welder for repairs on some lonely road...
The new headlights use 55 watt H1 bulbs. On high-beams, 4 bulbs would working simultaneously - so the load is 220 watts. To get amperage divide the power by the voltage - nominally 12 volts. Result: 18-1/3 amps. Perhaps a 20 amp fuse would be okay, but you don't want to lose your headlights if something just goes a little off. Conclusion 30 amp fuse.
QED . . .
Edouard
P.S. That's the fuse protecting the entire headlight relay circuit. Basically it is protecting that 7 foot long run of 8 gauge wire. Should the car suffer from a serious frontal impact, that wire could be severed and produce a nasty short-circuit and fire. The daytime running lights, low-beams, and high beams each have a separate fuse from the component housing to the respective lights - sized appropriately. If something went wrong with any particular system, the fuse devoted to that system should blow first leaving the other lights intact.
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...the fuse devoted to that system should blow first leaving the other lights intact
, he said while groping in the dark for his cell phone, which had his favorite wrecker service in his Contacts.
BTW, those MAX-LOC connectors claim to be able to handle gauge 1 "wire". Isn't that about the same thickness as re-bar?! [lol]
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SUCCESS... mostly. ;D I now have a working IP camera. [cheer] Here's a screen grab of the image (it has a 'snapshot' function, but it seems slightly distorted in width... ).
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u666/xAirbusDriver/Backyard-2_zpso07vvjwq.jpg)
3 pm with several developing cumulonimbus providing lots of shade.
Now, I just need to connect it to the mini, and figure out how/where to save the vid or, more efficiently, the timed snapshots. So far, I haven't been able to get Evocam to 'see' the stream. However, the controls are available via a browser interface, so I may not bother getting that to work.
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Dear X-Air and WeatherCat tinkerers, . .
SUCCESS... mostly. ;D I now have a working IP camera. [cheer]
Glad it is working! [tup]
For some reason, your image wasn't showing on your post when I first visited it. I cut and paste the link to see it was fine and then when I returned to the forum the image was there. Go figure . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/scratch_head.gif)
Cheers, Edouard [cheers1]
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It was showing when I left the forums. [tup] If you are still accessing the WWW, I feel safe in thinking you are still attached to the contiguous US. Maybe it was only a momentary separation? Maybe just a temporary kink in those web pipes? If anyone else has a problem, please let me know.
I forgot to add to the list of things I need to do. I finally got my hosting package upgraded so I could have a new domain name for the weather site. Now I'm trying to figure out how to get the account here set up. I only transferred the DNS list to the registrar yesterday, so the updating may be the problem. Not helping my search for the steps are some rather old 'how-to' videos. The techs have been very helpful in the past, I just think I should be able to do this on my own. [banghead]
OTOH, this morning, my wife requested a cinnamon roll for breakfast. We've been on a no-bread (and not much water!) diet for several months, and I was a little taken aback when she made the request! I immediately jumped into the car and headed for the best local donut shop. However, due to the very long hiatus (that's my story and I'm sticking to it!), I drove right past the place!! [blush] Fortunately, the traffic was light and I was able to make a U-turn without being hit! Obviously, if she'd gone with me, I would have heard the helpful, "Where ARE you going, stupid?!" [lol]
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Bravo! Job well done! I like the water feature especially?
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So far, I haven't been able to get Evocam to 'see' the stream.
Driver, download LanScan off MacUpdate.
It's free and will find your IP Cam in about two seconds flat after you click on Lan your Scan.
I'm able to access the live stream in Safari with: 10.0.0.45/live/0/h264.m3u8
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(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u666/xAirbusDriver/c237b941-164c-407c-98c5-790f74cac7f9_zpsotruw1jc.jpg)
IR view, 8:45 pm. That long, white line (looks like a stick in the center, smaller bush) is the 'exhaust' from one of the many bugs flying around the water! [lol] Based on the whiteness, the major illumination is from the 36 IR LEDs. There is a single bulb, florescent light about 20 feet behind the camera's 5 o'clock position.
I'll check the LanScan app, but there's no problem viewing the vid in Safari.HA! I already have that app! As soon as I saw the icon, I realized I'd downloaded it when I had the first camera! :) It is actually available at the Mac App Store, also, as is the "Pro" version.
My real problem is getting the stream (or better yet, snapshots) stored where WC can grab them. I'm sure I read something in the Manual about a suitable location, just need to look it up, again. The manufacturer does provide a 'Cloud' service for uploading the stream, an hours worth at a time, but I'd rather stay away from any more web exposure than absolutely required.
I also haven't got the new domain propagation confirmed, after my "honey do's" tomorrow, I'll upload a minimal web page for testing. Then I can work on the FTP settings for possible storage. Direct uploading might make local storage less demanding on the mini. OTOH, it may cause my monthly bandwidth to explode! ;)
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Nice photos! Love your back garden.
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Thanks! I've seen some nice pictures here, also. Maybe there's a thread featuring 'landscapes'?
We do enjoy it... several weeks of the year... between the 10 "Hot and humid" and the "Cold and dead foliage" months. [rolleyes2]
"Come on down!" [cheer] "Love" to have any of you come by for a visit. I'll even let you ride my mower! I've found that the only way I can't over/under water plants is to grow the ones that live in water! [blush]
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I think we need to start a new section for "Stupid Speling Misstakes"! My wife will be glad to nominate me as the only poster needed.
Last week, I waited patiently while my second new CC was sent to me so I could correct the delayed upgrade to my web hosting account. Sunday, I changed the DNS info at the domain registrar. I then waited well past the 24 hours (OK, they did say it might take 48...) for the www to notice. Went back to the hosting site and tried to find ip-to-date instructions for adding a domain. Kept seeing only references to "Addon" and "Sub" domains (which probably would have been a bit cheaper, of course). Finally lowered my self esteem enough to beg for 'Chat Help'. Instructed to "add an 'Addon Account'". OK, doesn't make sense, but I don't make sense all the time, either. [banghead] [blush]
The process, despite being named incorrectly (I'm as stubborn as I am stupid!), is very simple; just type in the new domain name in a text box and click the "Add Domain" button. I did give the hosting site and the tech a very high rating, anyway.
This afternoon, I tried to open the extremely simple web page I had added to the new 'domain'. All I got was a white screen! No "Can't open that page" error from the hosting site. Knowing that persistence is a virtue, I tried several (dozen) more times with the same result! "Must be the browser cache." Nope. "Must be the browser, try another one." Nope. Used the well hidden (in Yosemite) Network Utility app. PING and Traceroute worked for both the old and new domains. I did notice a difference in that the old domain resolved to a simple aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd address, while the new domain listed the name of the hosting site server. Still, I was convinced that the DNS propagation process was complete. Only problem is that I can't access the new site! Other than that, everything is purfekt!
I found that I still had a wee bit of self-esteem left, so I dumped it and contacted the 'chat' support, again. After a bit of confusion, the 'guy' says he'll look at my cPanel and see if that would help. In the meantime, I'm looking at my files in Fetch. He returns as says the found a slight mistake in how the new domain was "added" and fixed it. He was being very kind. [rolleyes2]
Refreshing Fetch, I noticed that I now had another folder for the new domain files. However, its name was just a tiny bit shorter than the one I had created. Using my handy magnifying glass, I found the actual problem! [banghead] [cheer] :o :-[ :'( There was an extra "r" in the domain name I had entered yesterday!!!![
Now, of course, I'll be contacting the CIA, FBI, Interpol, Apple, and maybe the the UN to find out who typed that extra letter!!! I have an idea, but I don't want to make any charges til eye no for shure!!! I gotta go, I'm Googling for a good price on S-Teem... I'm knot shur weaRther are knot I kan aford mor then a smal amount...
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Dear X-Air and WeatherCat spelling bee losers . . . . .
I think we need to start a new section for "Stupid Speling Misstakes"! My wife will be glad to nominate me as the only poster needed.
[wink] . . . So now that you have annoyed - SWMBO! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/eek-sign.gif) . . . what horrible penalty are you going to have to pay? . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/D'oh.gif)
Seriously, for over a decade I've counted on SpellCatcher to spare me from the most obvious spelling mistakes. It is one of the few programs that successfully made the transition from OS 9 to OS X. It is really sad that a very well designed program has been abandoned probably because of legalities.
If Apple was really on our side, Apple would have bought out the rights to SpellCatcher thereby giving the family of Evan Gross something after his untimely death. That would have spared us all from Apple's sloppy reinvention of the wheel. Spell correction on iOS 8 and Yosemite is positively prehistoric compared to SpellCatcher . . . . [rolleyes2]
Oh well, . . . . . Edouard (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/frown.gif)
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Yep, a lot of us Mac users had SpellCatcher on our machines. It's been what, three years or so since Evan's death? I didn't migrate it over when I did Yosemite clean installs. Unfortunately, I haven't found anything worthy of replacing it with although I don't find Apple's built-in speller all that bad.
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Dear Felix and WeatherCat spelling bee losers, . . . .
Yep, a lot of us Mac users had SpellCatcher on our machines. It's been what, three years or so since Evan's death? I didn't migrate it over when I did Yosemite clean installs. Unfortunately, I haven't found anything worthy of replacing it with although I don't find Apple's built-in speller all that bad.
I've read an article that recommended Grammarian:
http://linguisoft.com/ (http://linguisoft.com/)
It functions in a similar way to SpellCatcher with a pop-up window reporting your mistakes. I've been reluctant to try it because I typically abuse grammar for artistic effect. (as if none of you'all ever noticed! . . . [biggrin] ) So I'm dreading this program unless you can easily disable the grammar checking. On the other hand, is has been around for a long time as well. There is some reason to hope it will continue to be supported into the future.
Something to think about . . . .
Edouard
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I decided to view the camera on the mini last night. Viewing locally may be limited to using Safari Of course, the browser needs a plugin... Installed it, Quit and restarted Safari, tried to log in and nothing happened. Well, actually, something did happen, the connection "Timed out". [rolleyes2]
Went back to the iMac. Same thing!! [banghead]
Unplugged/re-plugged the camera. De-powered/re-powered the Apple Extreme. Ran two different network apps, both of which showed the camera (it's set to a static IP address with a port number). No change in the results.
Got a very good English speaker in India [tup] :) and we set up a Teamviewer (Mac) session. We basically did everything I'd already done. He also tried using the IP Camera Tool app that has a few options usually only seen in the browser. Nothing helped. I'm now awaiting a return call from the next higher level of tech support. "Within 3 to 4 hours." [woohoo]
This is turning into one humongous, time-wasting, expensive, non-enjoyable experience. To top it off, I'm not sure WC can use the locally stored video, anyway; it's an ".avi" file. [banghead] Nor was I able to get it to upload anything via FTP. It only took me an hour to figure out the exact path. I thought I was so happy to get a "Successful Connection" reply from the test function...
Oh yeah, my Evocam trial has expired so I can do anything with that, now. Deleting everything (even looked in the Receipts folder) and reinstalling doesn't clean out a hidden file the app writes which includes the first run date/time info. I can understand the need for that, but it's just another frustration.
If this turns out the way it starting to look like it is, I'll be running WC withOUT any camera. [computer]
I gotta go take another dose of my meds... [tup]
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Dear X-Air and WeatherCat "Don't it yourself" types . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/D'oh.gif)
If this turns out the way it starting to look like it is, I'll be running WC withOUT any camera. [computer]
I gotta go take another dose of my meds... [tup]
In the words of that immortal animated cartoon character Droopy Dog (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droopy) . . . . . "Fun, isn't it!" . . :o
My sympathies. At least as a stop gap, you might consider putting a Logitech camera indoors. I did that "several" years ago as a "temporary" measure and . . . well, at least it works (if very poorly.)
One of these days I'll upgrade, but of course I'll do that as soon as I finish up on . . . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/Automotive/V8_Buick/Misc/Biquette_V8_Buick_signature.gif)
No reason to panic yet . . . . she only need to be ready for the September 21 Classic car show . . . . . so why am I shaking like a leaf!!! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/eek-sign.gif)
[wink] . . . .Have courage! . . . . it is always darkest . . . just before everything turns completely black! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/devil.gif)
Edouard [biggrin]
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September? I have to have both front suspension struts replaced by Sunday. I did one on Tuesday and still haven't really recovered - muscles I didn't know I had are still aching and I've just sourced a replacement angle grinder and torque wrench for the ones I destroyed on Tuesday.
I'm planning the other one for Saturday. I know it'll be a lot faster this time, but still not looking forward to it :-[
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Had a talk/remote access and control with another, higher level tech. She couldn't do anything different. Only change was that the camera came back up... [cheer] for a while. [banghead] Her "solution" was that the 100' Cat6 cable run was too far for PoE, despite the fact that I bought the companies own power injector (45V/30W) and the standard claims over 300' is acceptable. [rockon]
I've got everything back in the two boxes. I don't have time for this kind of 'railroad running'. When I post this, I'm sending an email asking for a "Return" RMA form. Next week, I might even call the first place I got a camera, at least I can talk to an American, that even understands my southern drawl! I know a few more questions to ask after going through this ordeal in two different ways...
I think the next order of business will be to upgrade WC. Sounds like a great way to celebrate the fourth!! [rolleyes2] [cheer]
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Howdy Stu, X-Air, and WeatherCat tinkerers, . . . .
September? I have to have both front suspension struts replaced by Sunday.
Oh yeah, what's da' hurry? Some more "caravanning" in the near future? (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/travel-trailer-smiley.gif)
I did one on Tuesday and still haven't really recovered - muscles I didn't know I had are still aching and I've just sourced a replacement angle grinder and torque wrench for the ones I destroyed on Tuesday.
[wink] . . . . . Well, I plum wreckon that ya' must have been goin' about it da' hard way! . . . . . [biggrin]
I'm planning the other one for Saturday. I know it'll be a lot faster this time, but still not looking forward to it :-[
Seriously, hope that it goes a lot more smoothly and much less painfully than the previous ones. [tup]
Had a talk/remote access and control with another, higher level tech. She couldn't do anything different. Only change was that the camera came back up... [cheer] for a while. [banghead] Her "solution" was that the 100' Cat6 cable run was too far for PoE, despite the fact that I bought the companies own power injector (45V/30W) and the standard claims over 300' is acceptable. [rockon]
Unfortunately my joke about this being a negative example seems to have backfired. It does appear that Power over Ethernet technology is a bit too immature for this application. It is extremely disappointing that this company is trying to pull a fast one on you . . . >:(
I've got everything back in the two boxes. I don't have time for this kind of 'railroad running'. When I post this, I'm sending an email asking for a "Return" RMA form. Next week, I might even call the first place I got a camera, at least I can talk to an American, that even understands my southern drawl! I know a few more questions to ask after going through this ordeal in two different ways...
I think the next order of business will be to upgrade WC. Sounds like a great way to celebrate the fourth!! [rolleyes2] [cheer]
Sounds like a plan. It is time to put the webcam on the back burner and see if you can come up with another scheme that doesn't rely on PoE. Clearly that is going to involve some new compromises because you rejected that earlier, but sometimes you've just got to come up with a Plan-B, Plan-C, Plan-D . . . . . I just hope I don't have to start with Plan-AA . . . . etc! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/eek2.gif)
Courage WeatherCatters!! Edouard :)
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I'm watching the bird feeder out back. Haven't seen any crows yet, but I might have to catch one and prepare it for eating... First, I'll be contacting some US dealers to gather some more info on PoE distances and power injector types. Wireless is a back up, but I'll probably buy an Express that will be about half way between the Extreme and the camera location.
Strangely, I did find hundreds of jpegs at my new web space today. The camera was sending 'snapshots' at regular intervals. However, it had created its own directories and I had not seen them when talking with the techs. However, based on Stu's comments, they wouldn't be of much use, since they would have required username/password to access. The trick seems to be asking the exact, correct questions in a way that is understood by even non-English speakers. I reset the camera to "Factory Settings" and will wait until after the weekend to look for return info. [rolleyes2]
"It ain't over till the fat lady sings, and she's not even in the building, yet!" [lol2]
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Dealing with Chinese tech support can be a bear?
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But, even though we've been down that road before, we still like hearing about it. This is how we support you.
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(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u666/xAirbusDriver/nw_3757_cardres_zpsnkyfjqjp.jpg)
Thank you, thank you! Thank you very much!
:P
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It does appear that Power over Ethernet technology is a bit too immature for this application.
Not true at all. That's based on an IEEE standard, the initial of which has been in existence at least 15 years! As I've noted in these threads at various times, my exterior webcams are powered via PoE including one long underground run which functioned fine during last winter's below 0?F temps...coldest in two decades for this part of the country. I did have to replace the power injector on that long run when it stopped functioning. It just flat quit. I think the reason the injector failed was strictly environmental...it's sheltered but exposed to the full range of temps. I couldn't find any temp-range specs for that particular injector but I did replace it with one spec'd at -4?F and the camera at the end ran fine for the remainder of the winter with one spell even below the injector's spec temp min.
I did invest in exterior grade copper ethernet cable for my outdoor cams. Quite frankly, I don't know if it makes any difference in the near term but I'm all for doing everything I can to extend the time before I have to run that exterior cabling again. I anticipate having to replace the cams long before the exterior cabling will succumb to the environmental conditions. But copper cabling is tough to work with...very stiff and larger diameter than what you're used to fishing inside a house.
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I agree, Felix. I just need to find answers (preferably in English) about length, power, hardware, etc. Perhaps I need an industrial grade injector or even a PoE switch.
The cable was Cat 6, shielded, but not specifically environmentally rated. While it had less than a foot actually outside, the majority of it was in the attic where the temps could easily exceed anything seen outside, at least in my area. That was my only choice since I wanted only one ceiling hole inside, and that is in a closet.
One other point is that the LAN side of the injector is 25' from the Airport Extreme. That should not be a factor, but I'm beginning to wonder. If I have to go wireless, the first step may men moving the Extreme to within a few feet of the end of that 100' cable, that would mean all the other connections (to the mini, the iMac, and the cable modem) would then be about ~20' long. Seems like no advantages, at least on the Ethernet side; total distance to the mini would not change much. However, it might make wireless use less of a problem.
My major priority, camera-wise, is to make sure it can output a local file in a usable format for both Evocam and/or WC. [tup]
Today is for celebrating the founding of this Nation and family time, regardless of the weather! [woohoo]
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Dear Felix and WeatherCat standard bearers . . . .
Not true at all. That's based on an IEEE standard, the initial of which has been in existence at least 15 years!
Yes, obviously the outfit that supplied X-Air's webcam doesn't seem to be very good at implementing a standard! [rolleyes2]
As I've noted in these threads at various times, my exterior webcams are powered via PoE including one long underground run which functioned fine during last winter's below 0?F temps...coldest in two decades for this part of the country.
Which brand of camera are you using? Don't tell me it is the same as X-Air!! (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/eek2.gif)
Edouard
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Which brand of camera are you using? Don't tell me it is the same as X-Air!!
There's a reason why station details are right under our names. Doesn't even require a click. [banghead]
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Don't be too hard on the nearly dried Californian. After all, he doesn't have his station wagon details right under his name... [lol]
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Bull, meant to ask you last month if you've driven down to the newly reopened Sylamore Creek Swinging Bridge down in Stone county? It was added to the National Register of Historical Places back in 1999. Of course, that's not as long ago as a certain station wagon started being restored. From what I read, that thing may be on the Register before it graces any highway!! :P
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I agree with Felix (probably because we use the same brand cameras). If you contact Sharx, I can promise you their tech support people with know what the scoop is with PoE. And their cameras are EvoCam compatible as well. I know it costs more to deal with a US-based company but 在结束时，这是值得的成本 (Z?i ji?sh? sh?, zh? sh? zh?d? de ch?ngběn). Dude.
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在结束时，这是值得的成本
Google translate says "At the end, it is worth the cost."
Even if not quite correct, I agree with it. ;)
BTW Blick, I expect our Sharx cams are made in China as well. But as you noted, tech support is US based and reportedly very knowledgable. To date, knock on wood, I haven't had any need to interact directly with the tech support staff...the three cams I have from the company, including two prototype 3905 HD wide-angle versions which I don't think ever made it into full-scale production, were turn-key operations. They just worked with some standard network tweaking. Of course, everything was bench checked in PoE and wireless modes before I started climbing ladders.
I'll admit, I was more than a little surprised the first time I ran LanScan and up popped Shenzhen Ogemray Technology Co. as being associated with the cameras' IPs. Further search on Shenzhen Ogemray didn't show them to be a cam manufacturer; rather, a provider of Wi-Fi components. Still, I bet the cam and maybe even the firmware is made in China. I've found external form lookalikes that definitely originated overseas. I have no doubt that great quality cameras can be had at significantly cheaper prices if one is willing to put up with the aggravation of trying to get them to interface with a Mac. Thanks, but I'll leave that up to some bilingual network-savvy engineer tech.
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Well said, Blick! [rockon] Reminds me of something my great, great step-father-in-law, once removed once said to a complete stranger, "It's crakcers to drop a rozer in snide!" We need to keep our wise elders wisdom in our thoughts and plans! [cheer]
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Just found this message in my SPAM folder:
...I am an E.C. patient, and presently hospitalized in Guys & St. Thomas hospital in Central London, UK. My doctor says I have a few months to live, and I desire to stay within the confinement of my hospital room and live out my last days on earth quietly. I decided to go online and find some one remotely afar who can receive the funds from where it is presently deposited and disburse the money to cancer research institutes, churches, orphanages home, handicaps, widows and widowers and other deserving charity organizations. Indicate your willingness to assist me by responding to this email so I can provide you more details.
I'm sure this "lady" would expect me to take a bit of a 'commission' or 'expense' money from this. You do agree, of course? OK, if you don't agree, I won't send her your addy... then you'll be sorry!!!
I do feel sad that she wants to stay in hospital rather than a nice hospice by the see or maybe the Lake District.
Good ole Spamsieve, this is one of so few that have actual text/story in them, without the various "physical enhancement" drugs mentioned, but SS caught it, anyway. [tup]
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And here I was expecting to hear that the webcam problem had been solved and put to bed forever based on the new subject line.
But then I remembered you'd boxed up #2 and sent it back for a refund.
Third time's got to be a charm, Driver.
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I'm attempting to contact Sharx. Only means on their website doesn't even have a place for any kind of message; "leave your name, address (actual and/or virtual), phone number, we'll get back to you during normal business hours, your business is important to us". Several 'business' info sites all provide the same 'owner' and an address in a very nice area in New Hampshire. Google points to an empty lot, but that is a sometimes terrible way to find an actual location... Most of the 'business' info sites show their primary business is 'armored guard, security services'. I suppose 'security camera hardware' could fit into sometimes limited categories... ;)
The only retailer I can find (other than Amazon) is Tri-State Cameras, Video, and Computers. They also carry refrigerators, CHEFS STAR Tri-Blade Plastic Spiral Vegetable Slicer and spiralizers (whatever those are!), etc. Doesn't appear to be a 'security' specialist place... [rolleyes2]
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Let me do an e-mail search and see if Sharx ever gave me a workable phone number.
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Third time's got to be a charm,
I'm not a sports nut, by any stretch of the imagination, but I seem to remember something else about three somethings... and it was not positive, assuming your team was batting... :o
Boxes are not sealed yet. Still waiting for RMA acknowledgement. Probably a big holiday weekend somewhere the last few days... [biggrin] Besides, there's always eBag. Or I might be able to foist off the camera on a forum member and make enough money to buy batteries from another one.(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u666/xAirbusDriver/Groaner_zpsjqr46wqw.gif)
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I have a (603) 965-4000 number for them and an 800 number for Tri-State.
Did you buy direct or from a retailer?
I'm also interested in the injector details. ;)
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603-965-4000
Yep, that's what I have as well.
I bought two direct and one from Amazon (which I think was Sharx anyway).
Injector on the long run is a Black Box LPJ001A-T. I gave it five stars on an Amazon review.
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Thanks, Felix, you've been doing way more work that you should! :)
I guess I miss-spoke about sites 'offering' the camera. There are some; one has a 2013 "updated" site, a couple are 'store fronts' at Amazon, not a security camera specialist, one is Overstock.com, one site won't even load, and one is Sears! [banghead] Some of these sites seem to even copy Amazon reviews into their own sites ("I've read that before..."), even if they don't work through that channel!I suppose Amazon has more to do than keep tract of things like that. [rolleyes2]
Amazon can be a good source for lots of stuff, if you can find out who is actually selling it. Many sellers are just people who have no support organization, depending on the original importer for that. For common, general merchandise, that's usually fine. I don't think I'd buy an aircraft or even a parachute through Amazon, however. [lol]
I feel like I need to talk (and take names) with the supplier and get as much in writing as possible about the PoE side of this. The Sharx camera looks like a safe bet, but if I end up having to use WiFi, I will have to run power to the area and probably buy an Express to extend the signal. [banghead]
Just got an email from Sharx! Pictures at 10!
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Reports about Sharx tech support seem to be true! Already had a couple of messages with helpful info. While I was searching, I came across something that should be helpful for anyone considering PoE. It's a calculator that I wish I'd had months ago! [banghead] It does confirm that my original configuration was underpowered. My ignorance of PoE parlance, and power requirements; "12 volt camera" does not mean "12 volt PoE injector".
<Line Loss calculator for PoE (http://wifiqos.com/poe-calc.html)>
[tup]
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X-Air:
I found their email tech support invaluable when I set up my weather webcam. And they were very quick to respond. Felix is correct; the issue with webcams is not where they are manufactured - it is where the tech support originates. My guess is that they are all manufactured by a handful of companies in Asia.
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Still waiting on the Return RMA info... Talked to "Sales" who suggested I send an email to 'sales@...' and tell them 'returns@...' isn't responding. I suppose the telephone people in India can't talk to the tech/sales/returns people in Houston... [rolleyes2]
However, there's outstanding news on the Sharx front! Camera and the PoE injector (from two different companies) arrived today! [cheer] [Just a coincidence about Shark Fest, I'm sure!] Camera is mounted and has been running continuously for about three hours! No drop outs! Evocam found it! I need to review the manuals, Evological and WC to confirm where to store the recordings. Speaking of manuals, the one that came with the camera is in English, well written, conversational in attitude! Not the most detailed when it comes to explaining what's on each screen in the several settings pages. However, having seen many of the same details in the last camera, it was fairly simple.
One other thing, I can confirm that the Sharx people are easy to talk to via email, at least. They even give the set up instructions for the Mac before Windows! They also recommend that Mac users use Evocam! [rockon]
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u666/xAirbusDriver/Sharx_3905_zps5jdxn4sr.jpg)
May want to 'play' a bit with Saturation and Hue... That white bench is getting zapped by the Sun...maybe affected by the Auto Exposure settings. 8)
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Way to go, Driver. Looking good! 👍
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Welcome to the Sharx Family of Happy Campers (or Cameras).
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Reviewing the WC and Evocam manuals and trying to avoid contacting the respective and respected devs yet again...
I found the following in a post by Stu in his attempt to make things simple for me:In all cases, the file needs to be a snapshot/image (typically a jpg or png) and not a movie file.
That will probably explain why WC doesn't show anything in using "Show Video Preview". I will now switch Eveocam from creating movies to 'snapshots'?
Update: Actually, the snapshot setting is done by getting URL for the jpeg files on the cameras SD card. Giving that to WC then enables the "Video Preview" option. The camera acts as a DVR using the URL for access... at least I think that's what's happening. Now to enable the web cam setting(s) in the template...
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Dear X-Air, Felix, Blick, and WeatherCat fans of quality products, . . .
However, there's outstanding news on the Sharx front! Camera and the PoE injector (from two different companies) arrived today! [cheer] [Just a coincidence about Shark Fest, I'm sure!] Camera is mounted and has been running continuously for about three hours! No drop outs!
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Glad you are finally in business! [tup] Next time, try not to pinch those pennies quite so hard and at least do business with a company whose employees really do speak the same language that you do!
Cheers, Edouard [cheers1]
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On the RMA front, I actually reached a US-based employee today! She claimed I was not "in their system". I read her the details that displayed on the "My Account" page on their "system". She also said I would get a response to an RMA request (through their "system") in 12 to 24 hours. I suggested that 7.5 days is slightly more than 24 hours. She agreed. I am now expecting (but not holding my breath!) for "an email within 2 hours". [rolleyes2]
When this is finally and satisfactorily completed, I will post the name of the company, which has "cam" as the last three letters in its name... The camera, itself, was fine, when it worked! The customer "service" is in need of improvements, however.
Added info
This may get me banned/reprimanded/etc. I just hope some camera searchers will see it before that. Here is a log I started about 20 minutes after making a call approximately 3.5 hours after talking to the nice lady mentioned above.
called 1-713-893-7866 Selected Option 3 (RMA)
house phone on speaker
4:04 caller #1
4:09 dumped into the main menu
selected option 1 (Sales)
4:10 caller #21
hung up, called back, selecting Option 3, again
4:11 caller #1
4:21 dumped into the main menu
4:22 caller #1, again
4:27 still caller #1
4:32 dumped into the main menu
Selected option 1 (Sales) Now caller #20, wait time 21 minutes!
4:34 caller #19
4:35 caller #18
4:35:20 caller #16
4:36:22 caller #15
4:36:38 caller #14
4:37:00 caller #13
4:38:50 caller #12
4:41:53 caller #11
4:45:00 caller #10
4:46? missed caller # info
4:46:50 caller #9
4:49:02 caller #7
4:50:27 caller #6
4:53:47 caller #4
4:55:06 caller #3
4:58:31 caller #2
5:05:52 ?Edward? transferred me to ?RMA Department?
5:06:15 caller #1
5:10:27 called 1-800-930-0949 using iPhone on speaker
Selected RMA caller #4
5:11:25 caller #1
5:12:10 now caller #2 !!!!!
5:16:11 still caller #1
house phone on speaker
5:13:45 Still ?first in line?
5:17:05 Dumped into main menu selected RMA, again
5:17:53 caller #1
iPhone on speaker
5:18:37 wait time has increased to 5 minutes even as caller #1 I?m hanging up!!!
5:19:28 ?First in line? again/still [banghead] Hanging up!
I do have an RMA ticket#. I finally found a form in my account section. We'll see if anything happens now. Obviously, people have no capabilities, maybe the computer does. It is also "protected" by a "Google Trusted Store" thingy. It was automatic. I ordered direct from the camera company, not Amazon nor 'Google'. I may contact my CC company next week, if nothing happens from my RMA ticket. This is absolutely, positively the worst Internet business "operation" I have ever seen! (http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u666/xAirbusDriver/Groaner_zpsjqr46wqw.gif)
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Would anyone like to see another phone log? [banghead]
I didn't think so, but I did get a promise that they would call me "any time after noon" today. I nearly fell out of my chair when the phone rang about 12:20 and I saw the 713 area code! I am now printing out two copies of the RMA forms to put in the two original boxes and the single box they will be in. I'll have to pay for the return shipping, but that's a small price to pay (in addition to my two and a half wasted hours on the phone!).
Now all I have to do is wait on the refunds to show up... [rolleyes2]
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Progress is good.
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Progress is good.
Bu a refund is better! [lol] I won't be surprised to see a 'restocking fee' deducted from the amount... [rolleyes2]
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"One small step for..."
Got an email from PayPal that the price of the camera has been credited to my CC. [cheer] Got two emails from the company. The first one was a notice that the "replacement" camera has been ordered! :o The second was to ignore that message... "refund" and "replace" do share some letters of the alphabet... [lol] [rolleyes2]
No word yet on the second RMA, the one for the PoE injector. I put the RMA numbers on the outside of both boxes and the big box that held the two items. Also copies of the RMA forms; two in the big v=box, one each in the boxed items. SO many RMAs, so little thinking... [banghead]
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After one more email, (company's mistake was providing the first one! [cheer]) I now have a PayPal notice that the second items return/refund has been made. Should I click one of the "rating" choices for that 'agent'? [rolleyes2] ??? I guess I shouldn't blame her for the ~3 hours of phone holds, unanswered messages, useless 'tech' support, and frustrations. After all, the original shipping was "free"! [woohoo] Good riddance, lesson learned! [bounce]
Thread closed? [biggrin]
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Amen.
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To quote an old deceased civil rights activist, "Peas at last! Peas at last!"
Let's all eat black eyed peas and celebrate!
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I've decided to go with "embed" instead of "iframe" (no more fighting over where the page opens! [cheer]). HTML5 is much simpler:
video id="sampleMovie" src="WeatherCatDailyMovie.mov" width="800px" controls></video>
The width doesn't even need to be set unless you want less than full size. You don't really need the "id" if you don't specifically link to it. But the video formats supported by HTML5 are still in Alas, there are still many using older Exploder versions. Maybe with Windows 10 being released for free, there will be more upgrades? [rolleyes2]
"Simple" is a a subjective term, of course, but I found a site that will do all the heavy lifting if you'll provide some minimal info (that you'll have to have, no matter what method you might use). I've included a link to the site (which doesn't appear to be in development-if it works, don't fix it!) under my video.
One thing I like over the HTML5 method is that the controls do not obscure the movie at all. They are smaller, but the whole vertical size of the video is visible, even with the controls visible.
My next project is to get any NWS/NOAA weather warnings/advisories at the top of each page. Right now, there's just a 'placeholder' for that info. I think the Leuven dev has a stand-alone script for doing this. [cheer]
BTW, the in-progress site is at: <Mid-South Weather (http://mid-southweather.com/webcam.html)>