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WeatherCat => WeatherCat General Discussion => Topic started by: drewaz on April 17, 2019, 11:23:21 PM

Title: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: drewaz on April 17, 2019, 11:23:21 PM
first off, sorry if the answer is in the wiki but this time, I did look   :)

I power down my computer at night and have it booted up during the day.
I just noticed that my overnight archived data populates into WC but doesn't get uploaded to WU.  Looks like it has been this way for months .....

OS:  10.4.4
Vantage Vue console with a logger that is working
Preferences > On-line > Wunderground PWS:  enable historical uploads is checked.

Any ideas how to fix this?

Thanks, as always!
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: Blicj11 on April 18, 2019, 02:29:38 AM
WU has a long history of bad behaviour and it's getting worse. The WC forum has several threads on the connections issues.

Here is a place to start: https://athena.trixology.com/index.php?topic=2673.15

As long as your WU password is short and simple (and I mean simple), to should work with WC. Our experiences lately have been that if it's not working, it's on the WU end, not in the WC uploads.
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: drewaz on April 18, 2019, 02:34:09 AM
Thanks for the reply.

For clarification:  the data uploads perfectly during the day when my computer is on.  The data collected over night on the logger does not upload so there is a 8-10 hour gap of information every day.
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: Blicj11 on April 18, 2019, 10:20:40 PM
Thanks for the clarification, as I did not understand it the first time. Out of curiosity, what is your current setting in WC | Tools | Station Hardware Options | Set DataLogger Interval ?
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: drewaz on April 18, 2019, 10:36:22 PM
same issue when set to either 1 or 5 minutes.  currently at 5 minutes.
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: Blicj11 on April 18, 2019, 10:54:39 PM
Assuming you also have Log Historical Uploads checked in WC Preferences for WU, and that log shows you are not uploading the historical records, it sounds to me like you have a corrupted WC Plist file. Do you happen to have a clean version of that file stashed somewhere (pre-upload problem forms several months ago)?
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: drewaz on April 18, 2019, 11:28:37 PM
I already have 'enable historical uploads' checked but didn't check to log them ...  I will do that now.

I just set up a new iMac fresh so the WC file is new as of a few days ago.  The issue was/is present on the old and new installations.

Thanks for your help!
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: Blicj11 on April 18, 2019, 11:57:50 PM
Checking the box to log historical uploads will simply confirm you are not uploading after your morning restart, which you are already pretty sure, isn't happening. You should also check Log Sent Data while you are there. That way you'll get a log of all your WU uploads.

If you don't have a clean version of your WC Plist (preference file), you will need to to start over with a fresh one, so make sure you have documented all of your current WC preferences. The easiest way to do that is to take a screenshot of each WC preference window.

Here is how your get rid of your current plist file and replace it with a new one:
As soon as you have verified your preferences are as you want them and WC is now uploading historical data from your logger, DUPLICATE your com.Trixology.weathercat.plist file. This will give you a file called com.trixology.weathercat copy.plist. Just leave that copy file where it is. If you do this, the next time you have to flush your plist down the toilet, you still have to do the first 5 steps above but you can simply insert the following as Step #5 before you start WC:

        5. Rename com.trixology.weathercat copy.plist to com.trixology.weathercat.plist

Then you won't need to do Step #6 ever again!
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: drewaz on April 20, 2019, 02:05:39 AM
I followed your advice and I think it solved the problem!  The screen shot shows the data is being uploaded.  I quit WC for a few hours and after restarting, the data from that interval seems to have made it to WU.  I'll see how it does in the morning after being powered down all night.

Thanks again ... I'll post in the morning if it's still a problem.

Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: drewaz on April 21, 2019, 01:48:07 AM
After my iMac was shutdown all night, WC (per the log) uploaded all of the archived data to WU after I booted it this morning however it is not showing on the WU site.  It appears to be that the problem is on their side.

Thanks again for the suggestions.
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: Blicj11 on April 21, 2019, 04:52:17 AM
I don't know if this will do you any good, but supposedly you can ask for help from WU here:

https://feedback.weather.com/?b_id=17298#request

There is also a forum where they invited suers users (I suppose you could sue them - after all. we live in a very litigious nation) to provide input. I haven't looked at it for a long time so I have no idea if this will help or not, but you can try:

https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=33651.0

Let us know if you learn anything.
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: drewaz on April 24, 2019, 12:20:54 AM
Thanks for the suggestions.  I had forgotten about wxforum ....  just posted in the WU area.  I'll report back if I find out anything useful.
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: drewaz on April 26, 2019, 09:57:12 PM
Follow up:  I get a response in the WX forum:  WU only accepts real time data.  I guess that answers my question.
Title: WOW! That's an unwelcome change . . . (Re: WC and Weather Underground)
Post by: elagache on April 26, 2019, 11:46:28 PM
Dear drewaz and WeatherCat faithful,

Follow up:  I get a response in the WX forum:  WU only accepts real time data.  I guess that answers my question.

Wow!!
  :o  That's definitely an amazing change of policy and presumably API.  :(  Was there any additional information included in the answer?  I just tried to dig up some sort of an announcement about it, but I couldn't find a search string that would do the trick.

Do tell us anything else you have learned on this one.

Oh well, . . . . . Edouard  :(
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: drewaz on April 27, 2019, 12:38:08 AM
"I think that WU accepts only real time weather data."

Short answer, no detail and maybe it isn't even true.
WC log says it's uploading my overnight archived data though but it doesn't ever show up on the site.
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: Blicj11 on April 27, 2019, 02:09:51 AM
Follow up:  I get a response in the WX forum:  WU only accepts real time data.  I guess that answers my question.
That is definitely and totally NOT true. My router blew up today and when I got a temporary solution running, WeatherCat uploaded all the data from my logger to WU. Here are two lines from my log that prove it to be true.

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Apr 26 18:35:17 MightyCraic-iMac WeatherCat[1341]: Wunderground: Uploading historical data to Wunderground for 2019-04-26 23:55:00 +0000
Apr 26 18:35:17 MightyCraic-iMac WeatherCat[1341]: Wunderground: Historical record upload OK

When I go to my PWS data on WU the graphs look a little wonky because of the starts and stops that happened on my end with the technical issues, but the data is there.
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: drewaz on April 27, 2019, 02:25:59 AM
oh man, I should have my weather station confiscated!  My graphs don't fill in but ....  when I look at the highs and lows, it's obvious that the data does actually go up stream.  I didn't do anything but look at the graphs until I read your reply.  I just assumed that if the graphs don't fill in, the data didn't get processed.

So, once again, my bad.  Thanks to both of you!!!!!!
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: Blicj11 on April 27, 2019, 02:44:41 AM
Hey, we've all been there. Happy to try to shed some light.
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: ianC on May 07, 2019, 02:25:18 AM
FWIW - I had a 2 week gap at the beginning of April which did get uploaded on my return, and is showing on the graphs.

But a 6 hour gap yesterday, uploaded afterwards, in the table it says there is an invalid date (but seems to be in the right day) and it doesn't get graphed, but just draws a straight line between the end and restart of real time data..

I note also that the site seems to have had a redesigned in the last week or two. I wonder if one of their code monkeys borked it.

See here: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/IOLNEY3/graph/2019-05-6/2019-05-6/daily
Title: Re: WC and Weather Underground
Post by: Blicj11 on May 07, 2019, 06:34:20 PM
The redesign is a few weeks old now and at first, was only viewable to the PWS owner. Other people still saw the old version. When I tried to pull up your station on WU today, I can see the new design with your link, but when I try to just go to your station directly from WU (without your link), I only get a blank screen. WU are still monkeying around with this and they haven't yet sorted it properly.
Title: Welcome ianC to the WeatherCat forum. (Was: WC and Weather Underground)
Post by: elagache on May 07, 2019, 11:27:56 PM
Dear ianC, Blick, and WeatherCat welcome wagon . . . . (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/welcomewagon.gif)

I can't help you with your Weather Underground problem.  However, I see that this was your first post.

So let me use that as an excuse to welcome you ianC to the WeatherCat forum!  (http://www.canebas.org/WeatherCat/Forum_support_documents/Custom_emoticons/welcome_smiley.gif)

Cheers, Edouard  [cheers1]